A revolution in thought

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Originally Posted by LadyShea

Of course it hasn't been proven, nobody said it has. See all the uses of if and maybe and might? Nobody is making any positive claims here. Please read what is written.

And please note that not all things that have a genetic component can be traced to a single gene, and nobody has said there is an "autism gene". A genetic component has been posited and some evidence indicates that higher incidence of higher rates of autism in families, which may point to a genetic component.

If there is a genetic component this should make people are the more cautious because it's usually those individuals who are more prone to getting the illness when combined with environmental stressors such as the toxic load of vaccines that puts them over the edge.

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[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

If there is a genetic component this should make people are the more cautious because it's usually those individuals who are more prone to getting the illness when combined with environmental stressors such as the toxic load of vaccines that puts them over the edge.

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The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

The Starting Point...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen


I've been working on this story for months. There are so many parts and paths to it, and the information I have gathered is so shocking, it is simply difficult to write.

Maybe it is taking so long because I don't want to be the messenger.

And, I am going to have to break this story up into several parts.

Starting Point...

A man named Brian Hooker PhD has recently filed a lawsuit in Federal Court in Washington DC against the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) demanding that the CDC quit stalling on his Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and provide him with the public information he is looking for. Hooker has been making specific FOIA requests to the CDC since March 11, 2005 on the subject of the CDC's five "Thimerosal in vaccines studies." The CDC claims, falsely, that these five studies prove the safety and efficacy of Thimerosal.

Hooker had adequate reasons to be suspicious of the CDC, and their Thimerosal position. I will give you those details in another article.

Hooker is a scientist and knows how studies are supposed to be done. When he examined those five CDC studies he found a number of serious credibility issues with every one of them. So he began asking questions, and it wasn't long before the CDC shut the door. Illegally.

The CDC simply did not want a real scientist asking them pointed questions.

Hooker wants the details, including all communications between the parties involved in the studies' communications (letters, emails, etc.). He has accumulated, over time, a massive amount of information on the subject, and is insistent on getting, and examining, every last piece of paper, email, whatever. The CDC is falling all over itself trying to keep records away from Brian Hooker.

Hooker has a thirteen year old son with Autism. As usual, Brian Hooker's son was just fine prior to being vaccinated.

I have seen what Brian Hooker has already gathered and on the basis of that alone I can easily reach the conclusion, as you would, that:

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - and Has Covered It Up...

What I am going to tell you about in this article is that the anti-vaccination movement is absolutely right in their concerns about the vaccine situation, and, in fact, many parts of the movement would be far more upset if they knew what I NOW KNOW.

The situation is far worse than you can imagine.

So, let's begin...

Where we are...

There is a massive vaccine construction based in the United States that controls an integral part of the world-wide health care offering. That construction is, rightfully so, a major subject for argument. That "vaccine construction" is made up of an unholy alliance between Federal/State agencies and the vaccine industry. It operates without ANY oversight. None. All efforts to even monitor it are blocked. All efforts.

To balance that there is, world-wide, a significant "anti-vaccination" movement made up of very solid, concerned people. This movement, itself, is diverse in its interests and focus. Often there is disagreement among advocates about the problems and possible solutions.

What everybody, whether pro-vaccination or anti-vaccination, knows, and recognizes quite well, is that since the implementation of an increased mandatory childhood vaccination schedule, major health problems have arisen within the population base served by those vaccinations. The point - the more vaccines there are the more problems we have.

And, as Anne Dachel of Age of Autism (AOA) says, those problems are affecting our society at large.

According to the anti-vaccination movement there are many different concerns about the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Those advocates, rightfully, make demand of the government agencies put in place to monitor health programs to INVESTIGATE and FIND SOLUTION to those issues. And that's where the problem becomes exacerbated - those agencies. They are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. They are NOT really investigating and they are certainly NOT finding solutions. They are doing exactly the opposite.

There is something else, entirely, going on here.

Let me simplify the problem by breaking it down into its components...

Every government agency is set up by simple formula. In short, when an agency is created by Congress, or any other means, it is given a Mission, funding, and oversight. That agency is subject to standard US law, including those laws set up to regulate all agencies. And, the employees of that agency are expected to perform their duties according to the law, and the Mission of the agency.

(1) Mission - "THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES (HHS) is the United States government's principal agency for protecting the health of all Americans and providing essential human services, especially for those who are least able to help themselves." The CDC is part of the HHS.

(2) Oversight - One basic policy that agencies must conform to is "oversight." There are several ways agencies are subjected to oversight, but the one we are interested here we will call "basic citizen oversight," demonstrated by the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) or the Data Quality Act (DQA). In short, "we the people" have the right to examine an agency's daily activities. And, we can do that in several ways. One of those is by FOIA Request.

The idea of FOIA, and similar laws in individual States called "Public Records Acts" is fundamental. As an example, just below, is an excerpt from the State of California Public Records Act, enabled by California GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 6250-6270. It says:

6250. In enacting this chapter, the Legislature, mindful of the
right of individuals to privacy, finds and declares that access to
information concerning the conduct of the people's business is a
fundamental and necessary right of every person in this state.
6251. This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the
California Public Records Act.
Every State in the US has similar law in effect. You can read the entire California Public Records Act by clicking here.
It is easy to see that "we the people" intended, right from the beginning, to control our agencies by observing their daily activities - and that we mean to observe those agencies on a "right now" basis.

In a FOIA situation, for instance, the government agency is required, by law, to respond within twenty (20) days.

Twenty (20) days. Not six (6) years as in the Hooker v CDC case... Keep reading.

Why did "we the people" set in place such laws? Because, simply, "we the people" know, quite well, that we need to control government agencies. In order to control them we need to know, on a daily basis, what they are doing.

Often we hear the statement about an agency being "out of control." An agency hiding what it is doing from the public, unless "we the people" authorized them to hide certain things, is certainly "out of control," for that agency has removed a primary control mechanism.

If an agency is, in fact, "out of control," then it is reasonable to assume that every action it undertakes is NOT in the interests of "we the people." Why else would they operate in that manner?

(3) Malfeasance - Another important factor is the understanding of what the legal term "malfeasance in office" means in regard to Public employees. Malfeasance is considered to be a corrupt act, a crime, and is punishable by imprisonment. A simple explanation is below, an excerpt from the Louisiana State Law:

A. Malfeasance in office is committed when any public officer or public employee shall:

(1) Intentionally refuse or fail to perform any duty lawfully required of him, as such officer or employee; or

(2) Intentionally perform any such duty in an unlawful manner; or

(3) Knowingly permit any other public officer or public employee, under his authority, to intentionally refuse or fail to perform any duty lawfully required of him, or to perform any such duty in an unlawful manner.

B. Any duty lawfully required of a public officer or public employee when delegated by him to a public officer or public employee shall be deemed to be a lawful duty of such public officer or employee. The delegation of such lawful duty shall not relieve the public officer or employee of his lawful duty.

C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of malfeasance in office shall be imprisoned for not more than five years with or without hard labor or shall be fined not more than five thousand dollars, or both.

(2) In addition to the penalty provided for in Paragraph (1) of this Subsection, a person convicted of the provisions of this Section may be ordered to pay restitution to the state if the state suffered a loss as a result of the offense. Restitution shall include the payment of legal interest at the rate provided in R.S. 13:4202.

(4) Intentional Obstruction of Justice - Constance V. Vecchione writing for the Massachusetts Bar of Overseers talks, below, about the spoliation of evidence. Why is this important? Because the Courts have held that the Exemption (Exemption b5) rule that CDC uses to deny requests parallels the Rules for Discovery in Civil cases. Vecchione says:

To the spoliator belongs the victory? Not in the post-Enron/Andersen, post Sarbanes-Oxley world. And not in the wake of recent Supreme Judicial Court decisions clarifying the scope of the obligation to retain evidence and the penalties for failure, even negligently, to do so.

Mass. R. Prof. C. 3.4(a), adopted in 1998, prohibits lawyers from unlawfully obstructing another party's access to evidence or unlawfully altering, destroying, or concealing a document or other material having potential evidentiary value. The rule further provides that lawyers cannot counsel or assist another person in such acts. The comment to the rule emphasizes its purpose to insure “fair competition” in the adversary process and to secure opposing parties’ procedural rights of access to evidence through subpoena or discovery.

US Courts are taking destruction or withholding of evidence seriously with both serious civil and criminal penalties. Vecchionne also says:

Beyond civil sanctions, lawyers and clients should also take note of applicable criminal statutes. The federal crime of obstruction of justice is defined by 18 U.S.C. § 1503 to include conduct that, among other things, corruptly endeavors to obstruct or impede the due administration of justice.

More, US Attorney General Eric Holder, on orders from the President, issued a 59 page legal opinion in 2010 on the use of Exemption 5. You can read the whole thing by clicking here. In short, the CDC has no legal leg to stand on withholding information. Just below you will find the opening lines to the Opinion:

"Exemption 5 of the Freedom of Information Act protects "inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency." Courts have construed this somewhat opaque language to "exempt those documents, and only those documents that are normally privileged in the civil discovery context."

When administering the FOIA, it is important to first note that the President and Attorney General have issued memoranda to all agencies emphasizing that the FOIA reflects a "profound national commitment to ensuring an open Government" and directing agencies to "adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure."

(5) CDC Funding - 10 billion dollars a year from taxpayers - and there is severe criticism. Watch this short NBC video called CDC Misusing funds. More, take a look at the Congressional Report they are talking about called "CDC Off Center." The report's first page says:

"A review of how an agency tasked with fighting and preventing disease has spent hundreds of millions of tax dollars for failed prevention efforts, international junkets, and lavish facilities, but cannot demonstrate it is controlling disease."

Where's the Beef?

The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a US government agency relied upon by, not just the US, but by the entire civilized world, to give guidance and leadership on Planet Earth's health issues. It's opinions and strategies are never questioned and, for various reasons, primarily its control of funding, the CDC, in the US, sets policy on health issues from Washington DC, right through individual State's Public Health structures, down to each and every American citizen.

It's pronouncements are as from God. And if you are in the health care system, you better be a believer.

In the world, most governments look to US CDC policy, assuming, as we have now found out is simply not true, that the US CDC really is a truthful, knowledgeable, source for health information. Especially on vaccines.

It is, we have found, anything but truthful and knowledgeable.

In roughly 1998 certain management employees at the US CDC became aware, through their own official investigation, that there were significant problems with the use of Thimerosal (mercury) as a preservative in vaccines, and that those problems were being exacerbated by the increased vaccine schedule. One of their top researchers was telling them so and had given them a Draft Report. Decisions were made to cover up the report, keeping it away from the public eye.

More, because of what happened next, those CDC employees went on to hire one fake "study" after another countering the results of the original Draft Report. The author of the first of those studies, the so-called Danish Study, is now being indicted for fraud in the US.

Worse, those high level CDC employees, to cover up what was happening, violated, and conspired to violate, several major US laws designed to prevent ROGUE EMPLOYEES from just this sort of activity.

Those CDC employee's actions had horrible consequences - for a whole world believed them, and relied on their words to establish their own vaccine policies.

The consequences in terms of Autism, alone...

By US government calculations 104 million children, a year (4 million in the US and Canada, and 100 million in the rest of the world), are born into the world covered by the US CDC recommended Childhood Vaccination Schedule.

Autism - We know, for instance, that since the increased Childhood Vaccination Schedule went into effect that Autism rates in the US went from one in ten thousand (1 in 10,000) to one in one hundred ten (1 in 110). A disaster. The CDC response - "we don't know why that's happening." A lie - they did know, and they do know.

Most countries do not yet keep comparative records regarding autism and/or neurological issues. We can only, using the US numbers, extrapolate.

Children are a nation's largest asset...

So let's ask the question "How many children were actually affected?" Let's do the numbers...

World wide (not counting the US and Canada) - From 1998 to 2011 - Autism - (1 in 110) = .9% of 100 million children = 900,000 children - every year.

Let me say that again - 900,000 children, world wide, EVERY YEAR from 1998 to 2011, became Autistic, for a total of eleven million, seven hundred thousand, (11,700,000) children between 1998 and 2011.

Supposedly, Thimerosal was removed from US/Canadian Childhood Vaccines in 2004. So, from 1998 to 2004, using the same formula, one hundred eighty thousand (180,000) US children became Autistic.

Making the World-wide Autism Grand Total - From 1998 to 2011 = 11,880,000 children.

And, that's not the worst of it.

The one in six numbers...

In an earlier article "Some Words About Bobbie Kennedy Junior..." I had discussed reading what Kennedy had said earlier about the CDC. There was a reason I was researching what Kennedy Jr. was saying about vaccines. Kennedy had said that "1 out of 6 children are diagnosed with a developmental disorder and/or behavioral problem."

What? One out of six? I was looking through Kennedy's stuff to see where HE got those numbers, and what I found was a page (Kennedy's source) called "AUTISM A. L. A. R. M." which says:

"This project is funded by a cooperative agreement between the American Academy of Pediatrics and the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

And, right there on the top page it says:

Autism is prevalent
• 1 out of 6 children are diagnosed with a developmental disorder and/or behavioral problem
• 1 in 166 children are diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder
• Developmental disorders have subtle signs and may be easily missed

Listen to parents
• Early signs of autism are often present before 18 months
• Parents usually DO have concerns that something is wrong
• Parents generally DO give accurate and quality information
• When parents do not spontaneously raise concerns, ask if they have any

Act early
• Make screening and surveillance an important part of your practice (as endorsed by the AAP)
• Know the subtle differences between typical and atypical development
• Learn to recognize red flags
• Use validated screening tools and identify problems early
• Improve the quality of life for children and their families through early and appropriate intervention


Refer
• To Early Intervention or a local school program (do not wait for a diagnosis)
• To an autism specialist, or team of specialists, immediately for a definitive diagnosis
• To audiology and rule out a hearing impairment
• To local community resources for help and family support


Monitor
• Schedule a follow-up appointment to discuss concerns more thoroughly
• Look for other features known to be associated with autism
• Educate parents and provide them with up-to-date information
• Advocate for families with local early intervention programs, schools, respite care agencies, and insurance companies
• Continue surveillance and watch for additional or late signs of autism and/or other developmental disorders

In short - the CDC not only knows about the problem, it has discussed it and made recommendations.

The One in Six Numbers...

Doing the numbers: Once again since most countries do not keep records we must extrapolate from US numbers.

One hundred four million (104,000,000) children born every year times thirteen years = 1,352,000,000 children born, worldwide, between 1998 and 2011.

One in six translates to 16.7 %. So 16.7 % of 1,352,000,000 children = 225,784,000 children.

In other words, according to this government agency website, world wide, 225,784,000 children have been "diagnosed with a developmental disorder and/or behavioral problem.

Two hundred twenty five million, seven hundred eighty four thousand children have a "developmental disorder and/or behavioral problem?"

That's the equivalent of two thirds of the population of the United States. And the CDC, the supposed health experts, say "we don't know why that's happening."

So who exactly is this CDC?

The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a branch of the US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). It's Mission, given to it by legislation, is supposedly, as follows:

CDC Mission

Collaborating to create the expertise, information, and tools that people and communities need to protect their health – through health promotion, prevention of disease, injury and disability, and preparedness for new health threats.

CDC seeks to accomplish its mission by working with partners throughout the nation and the world to

monitor health,

detect and investigate health problems,

conduct research to enhance prevention,

develop and advocate sound public health policies,

implement prevention strategies,

promote healthy behaviors,

foster safe and healthful environments,

provide leadership and training.

Those functions are the backbone of CDC′s mission. Each of CDC′s component organizations undertakes these activities in conducting its specific programs. The steps needed to accomplish this mission are also based on scientific excellence, requiring well-trained public health practitioners and leaders dedicated to high standards of quality and ethical practice.

High sounding words - right? It would be even better if any of it were true - which it is not. The reality is something totally different, making the CDC in its entirety, an enemy of the American people. In fact, America's worst enemy.

In short, Americans cannot trust ANYTHING the CDC says or does. It has no credibility, whatsoever. Why? It has made certain that it is accountable to no one, and that it has to explain itself to no other entity. Certainly not to the American people.

How do I know this? Because I am in possession of legal documents designed to force the CDC to, once again, answer to the American electorate. I'll show you these documents shortly, and explain them in detail.

In 1998 the CDC Staff compiled a Draft copy of an exacting internal CDC study on vaccines which clearly pointed out all of the dangers of those vaccines, in detail, with explanations of why that was true. CDC management went into shock, forced the head of the study out of the CDC, changed the data and the findings of the study, and brought it out as proving the opposite, even using the original researcher's name on the now faked study's title.

That started a brouhaha. The original researcher would not back down, and loudly, via email, complained about CDC management putting his name on the fake study, reversing his original findings. He did so by addressing the largest, at the time, meeting of the CDC and what they call their "stakeholders," with the REAL results of his study at a place called Simpsonwood, and the reactions to his address had far reaching results

It is those email communications, and others like it, where Brian Hooker began to unravel the CDC plot.

Congressional Oversight ignored...

In 2003, even the US Congress began to smell the CDC stink and investigated. A Report, after a three year investigation, prepared by the Staff of the Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness Committee on Government Reform United States House of Representatives called "Mercury in Medicine –Taking Unnecessary Risks" made startling conclusions. Like this:

A. Findings - Through this investigation of pediatric vaccine safety, the following findings are made:

1. Mercury is hazardous to humans. Its use in medicinal products is undesirable, unnecessary and should be minimized or eliminated entirely.

2. For decades, ethylmercury was used extensively in medical products ranging from vaccines to topical ointments as preservative and an antibacteriological agent.

3. Manufacturers of vaccines and thimerosal, (an ethylmercury compound used in vaccines), have never conducted adequate testing on the safety of thimerosal. The FDA has never required manufacturers to conduct adequate safety testing on thimerosal and ethylmercury compounds.

4. Studies and papers documenting the hypoallergenicity and toxicity of thimerosal (ethylmercury) have existed for decades.

5. Autism in the United States has grown at epidemic proportions during the last decade. By some estimates the number of autistic children in the United States is growing between 10 and 17 percent per year. The medical community has been unable to determine the underlying cause(s) of this explosive growth.

6. At the same time that the incidence of autism was growing, the number of childhood vaccines containing thimerosal was growing, increasing the amount of ethylmercury to which infants were exposed threefold.

7. A growing number of scientists and researchers believe that a relationship between the increase in neurodevelopmental disorders of autism, attention deficit hyperactive disorder, and speech or language delay, and the increased use of thimerosal in vaccines is plausible and deserves more scrutiny. In 2001, the Institute of Medicine determined that such a relationship is biologically plausible, but that not enough evidence exists to support or reject this hypothesis.

8. The FDA acted too slowly to remove ethylmercury from over-the-counter products like topical ointments and skin creams. Although an advisory committee determined that ethylmercury was unsafe in these products in 1980, a rule requiring its removal was not finalized until 1998.

9. The FDA and the CDC failed in their duty to be vigilant as new vaccines containing thimerosal were approved and added to the immunization schedule. When the Hepatitis B and Haemophilus Influenzae Type b vaccines were added to the recommended schedule of childhood immunizations, the cumulative amount of ethylmercury to which children
were exposed nearly tripled.

10. The amount of ethylmercury to which children were exposed through vaccines prior to the 1999 announcement exceeded two safety thresholds established by the Federal government for a closely related substance – methylmercury. While the Federal Government has established no safety threshold for ethylmercury, experts agree that the methylmercury guidelines are a good substitute. Federal health officials have conceded that the amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the EPA threshold of 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of bodyweight. In fact, the amount of mercury in one dose of DTaP or Hepatitis B vaccines (25 micrograms each) exceeded this threshold many times over. Federal health officials have not conceded that this amount of thimerosal in vaccines exceeded the FDA’s more relaxed threshold of 0.4 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. In most cases, however, it clearly did.

11. The actions taken by the HHS to remove thimerosal from vaccines in 1999 were not sufficiently aggressive. As a result, thimerosal remained in some vaccines for an additional two years.

12. The CDC’s failure to state a preference for thimerosal- free vaccines in 2000 and again in 2001 was an abdication of their responsibility. As a result, many children received vaccines containing thimerosal when thimerosal- free alternatives were available.

13. The Influenza vaccine appears to be the sole remaining vaccine given to children in the United States on a regular basis that contains thimerosal. Two formulations recommended for children six months of age or older continue to contain trace amounts of thimerosal. Thimerosal should be removed from these vaccines. No amount of mercury is appropriate in any childhood vaccine.

14. The CDC in general and the National Immunization Program in particular are conflicted in their duties to monitor the safety of vaccines, while also charged with the responsibility of purchasing vaccines for resale as well as
promoting increased immunization rates.

15. There is inadequate research regarding ethylmercury neurotoxicity and nephrotoxicity.

16. There is inadequate research regarding the relationship between autism and the use of mercury-containing vaccines.

17. To date, studies conducted or funded by the CDC that purportedly dispute any correlation between autism and vaccine injury have been of poor design, under-powered, and fatally flawed. The CDC’s rush to support and promote such research is reflective of a philosophical conflict in looking fairly at emerging theories and clinical data related to adverse reactions from vaccinations.

More, the Congressional Report made Recommendations - which were BLATANTLY ignored. As follows:

B. Recommendations

1. Access by independent researchers to the Vaccine Safety Datalink database is needed for independent replication and validation of CDC studies regarding exposure of infants to mercury-containing vaccines and autism. The current process to allow access remains inadequate.

2. A more integrated approach to mercury research is needed. There are different routes that mercury takes into the body, and there are different rates of absorption. Mercury bioaccumulates; the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) clearly states: “This substance may harm you.”

8. Studies should be conducted that pool the results of independent research that has been done thus far, and a comprehensive approach should be developed to rid humans, animals, and the environment of this dangerous toxin.
3. Greater collaboration and cooperation between federal agencies responsible for safeguarding public health in regard to heavy metals is needed.

4. The President should announce a White House conference on autism to assemble the best scientific minds from across the country and mobilize a national effort to uncover the causes of the autism epidemic.

5. Congress needs to pass legislation to include in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) provisions to allow families who believe that their children’s autism is vaccine-induced the opportunity to be included in the program. Two provisions are key: First, extending the statute of limitations as recommended by the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines from 3 to 6 years. Second, establishing a one to two year window for families, whose children were injured after 1988 but who do not fit within the statute of limitations, to have the opportunity to file
under the NVICP.

6. Congress should enact legislation that prohibits federal funds from being used to provide products or pharmaceuticals that contain mercury, methylmercury, or ethylmercury unless no reasonable alternative is available.

7. Congress should direct the National Institutes of Health to give priority to research projects studying causal relationships between exposure to mercury, methylmercury, and ethylmercury to autism spectrum disorders,
attention deficit disorders, Gulf War Syndrome, and Alzheimer’s Disease.

So, where are we going with this?

The problems caused by the CDC employees that covered up the Thimerosal issue are just about beyond belief.

It is time for a formal investigation of certain key people now, or formerly, at the CDC.

More coming.

Stay tuned.

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One)

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Autism "Danish Study" Author is "On the Run..."

Poul Thorsen - Makes US "Top Ten Most Wanted" List

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Sunday, November 4th, 2012

The "Danish Study" has been used as the foundation of the vaccine industry's claim that "there is no relationship between vaccines and Autism."

But, its author, Danish researcher Poul Thorsen, last year, was indicted for fraud over the study, and an arrest warrant was issued. Thorsen is now in hiding.

It is common knowledge that the pharmaceutical industry promotes a severely increased vaccine schedule, not only for children, but for everyone, sometimes even, trying for laws making vaccines mandatory. Why? Because most of their major drug patents are running out, so the massive flow of money is slowing to a trickle. More vaccines seem to be the profitable answer.

But, as everyone is also realizing, with the increased schedule came a comparable wave of significant health problems. One in six children since the increase, now have neurological issues. One in eighty-eight children now have Autism.

But the vaccine construction, a combination of the vaccine industry, and the federal and state bureaucratic entity that supports it, rail against any suggestion that vaccines are responsible. That conflict, between parents of these children and their networks and the vaccine construction, rages across not just the US, but all over Planet Earth.

So, what exactly is the "Danish Study?"

In the year 2000 the lid was blown off the argument when a transcript of a secret vaccine construction meeting at Simpsonwood was released to the public. The Simpsonwood meeting documents show, very clearly, that the vaccine construction knew about the problems of Thimerosal, the preservative in vaccines, and decided on a policy of covering up that information. Their reasons? They said that if people knew about those problems they would not vaccinate their children because they would lose confidence in the vaccine industry. So, the vaccine construction had the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) organize some studies on the Thimerosal issue. The CDC used a Danish researcher named Poul Thorsen to assemble, hire researchers, and monitor a study, since called the "Danish Study," on this subject- which has, since, become, itself, a huge controversy.

Once again - The "Danish Study" has been used as the foundation of the vaccine industry's claim that "there is no relationship between vaccines and Autism."

Let's make a few things very clear - The world-wide vaccine industry's ENTIRE safety argument regarding Thimerosal (mercury), as a preservative in vaccines, rests on the validity of this one "Danish Study." Danish researcher Poul Thorsen was the rainmaker, and organizer of that study, and the study right after that. The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was the funder. The CDC actually funded five separate studies - each succeeding study building on the first "Danish Study," depending on the "Danish Study's" validity.

And that's the problem. A recent US federal court indictment of Poul Thorsen shows that Thorsen diverted two million out of the total eight million dollars of the "Danish Study" funding elsewhere - one million to himself, and the other million has not yet been found.

This, of course, throws a pall on the study itself, and the institutions and researchers involved. More, it brings in the question of supervision of the study by the funding agency the CDC. Why? Because the CDC did not find the money diversion. Someone else did. More, the question needs to be asked "Did people at the CDC get the other million that disappeared?" Why do I ask that question? Keep reading and you'll soon see why.

There is a huge scandal here...

In short, long before Poul Thorsen was indicted for fraud, over the missing two million, independent researchers were questioning the validity of the first five studies, very carefully. One of those researchers, Brian Hooker PhD, was relentless in his search for information. So relentless that the CDC began to stonewall his Freedom of Information (FOIA) requests. I have written five articles on Hooker's war with the CDC. They are very revealing and summarize a history, at the CDC, of the employees of a federal agency virtually spitting on the American people, openly violating any law they wish to ignore. You can find those articles by clicking on the numbers just behind the title "The CDC Has Known All Along How Dangerous Vaccines Are - And Has Covered It Up... (Part One), (Part Two), (Part Three), (Part Four), and (Part Five).

But that point is just the lead-up for where this article is heading. There is something else going on here behind the scenes I am about to reveal - how it is that Poul Thorsen actually got caught. In short, the Autism World banded together and went after him - and they got him. I'll show you how it was done, and who did it. Congratulate them, personally, the next time you have an opportunity..

The move was brilliant. And thorough.

Here is how they did it...

On September 15th, 2010 a letter was signed and sent to Daniel R. Levinson, Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services in Washington DC. It was on CoMeD Inc stationery and signed by the Reverend Lisa K. Sykes, President of CoMeD Inc., and had twenty-six supporting agencies. The link to the letter is above, highlighted in blue.

In short, in the sixteen (16) page letter the complainants carefully outlined the case against Thorsen and the CDC. An excerpt:

More serious, however, is the on-going failure of the US government, specifically the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (Secretary, HHS) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which reports to the Secretary, to properly regulate the drug industry, which continues its illegal use of poisonous mercury compounds in the manufacture of drugs, especially vaccines.

Despite substantiated allegations that US national health agencies, including but not limited to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), have been compromised by egregious conflict-of-interest, the Office of Investigations for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS-OIG),

by its inaction in the face of this urgent public health crisis, is now party to this greatest of federal failures.

Your failure to act has permitted, and still permits, the ongoing administration of Thimerosal-preserved vaccines to the population without the required proof of safety or the opportunity of informed consent, in violation of American law.

The unnecessary and systematic injection of mercury, in the form of Thimerosal (49.6% mercury by weight) dubiously used as a ‘preservative’, into children and pregnant women represents one of the greatest catastrophes facing our nation, far exceeding those already publicized by the media.

With more than:

 One in every six children now diagnosed with a behavioral and/or developmental disorder,

 25% of our children currently suffering one or more persistent chronic illnesses, and

 One in every 70 boys now diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder,

the federal failure to lawfully regulate this industry has allowed mercury to compromise the minds of children just as it has permitted greed to compromise the economy and oil to compromise the Gulf of Mexico.

Using the National Immunization Program of this nation to administer unsafe, unnecessary and undisclosed mercury to American citizens is unjustifiable, damaging and criminal.

Investigations by HHS-OIG have already substantiated the validity of allegations regarding ‘conflict of interest and Thimerosal’ made to the Office of Special Counsel (OSC) in 2004 by fifteen families with mercury-toxic children.

Furthermore, in a December of 2009 report published by HHS-OIG (under the direction of Daniel R. Levinson), “CDC’s Ethics Program for Special Government Employees on Federal Advisory Committees,” your agency determined that: numerous serious conflict-of-interests, lack of ethics training, and failure to complete appropriate ethics paperwork, were common among CDC-associated special Government employees.

Despite the established credibility of these allegations, and a call for Congressional Investigations by OSC into Thimerosal, neither HHS-OIG nor any other government agency has taken any action so as to protect the public health from the ravages of this known poison, neurotoxin, developmental toxin, carcinogen, mutagen, teratogen, and immune-system disruptor.

Based upon new information, enclosed with this letter, we add a tenth allegation to the nine previously submitted to HHS-OIG: the illegal presence of mercury in FDA-approved medicines, especially vaccines, is being defended by apparently fraudulent studies.

Criminal investigations now ongoing in Denmark reveal key ‘independent’ studies, purportedly showing mercury does not cause autism, were, in some cases, financially and ethically compromised by our own national health agencies.

For example, the CDC assisted in the design, data manipulation, review and publication of these studies.

The resulting and seemingly biased epidemiological studies cannot prove safety or establish the current levels of mercury in vaccines as “safe.”

Moreover, the original datasets have been “lost” or withheld from independent review so that even the published findings cannot be confirmed, much less properly reviewed.

Nonetheless, the FDA and other national health agencies and authorities repeatedly cite these studies in their sanctioning of the ongoing use of mercury in medicine.

One such authority, a 2004 Institute of Medicine committee report, which purportedly exonerated vaccine-derived Thimerosal as a cause of autism in its landmark decision, relied heavily upon these non-reviewable, and, in most cases, provably biased and probably fraudulent epidemiological studies.

Additionally, the apparent embezzlement of approximately 2 million US dollars and serious professional misconduct:

“The Danish Agency for Science, Technology and Innovation (DASTI) has been a grant recipient as part of a cooperative agreement with the US National Center for Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, CDC, since 2001.

The grant has been administered by Odense University Hospital and Aarhus University (AU) under the direction of Dr. Poul Thorsen. The grant has multiple components and involves collaborators at other institutions in Denmark, including the University of Copenhagen and SSI (Statens Serum Institut) … Unfortunately, a considerable shortfall in funding at Aarhus University associated with the CDC grant was discovered. In investigating the shortfalls associated with the grant, DASTI and Aarhus University became aware of two alleged CDC funding documents as well as letter regarding funding commitments allegedly written by Randolph B. Williams of CDC’s Procurement Grants Office which was used to secure advances from Aarhus University. Upon investigation by CDC, a suspicion arose that the documents are forgeries. DASTI conducted an internal investigation of the authenticity of the documents and have filed a police report…A police investigation is ongoing.”

and serious academic misconduct:

“Aarhus University wishes to confirm that Dr Poul Thorsen no longer has any connection to Aarhus University, and that Aarhus University will not be able to collaborate with Poul Thorsen in the future” (see Footnote 2).

by one of the key researchers involved in Scandinavian epidemiological studies3, Dr. Poul Thorsen, calls the validity of these studies into question.

There was a lot more. You can read the whole thing, including the Exhibits, and the list of Supporters, here.

What effect the letter had...

Poul Thorsen, and the CDC funding process for Thorsen's studies, got investigated. That's what Inspector Generals do.

Autism parents feel that it becomes obvious that the CDC got what it paid for when they contracted with Poul Thorsen to manufacture a fake study showing that Thimerosal in vaccines was perfectly safe, and that there was no relationship, he said, between vaccines and Autism.

In Poul Thorsen, many say, the CDC bought a high level fraud artist, to produce a high level fraudulent study - which he did.. So, why would the CDC be surprised, you might ask, when that same Thorsen defrauded THEM out of a million dollars he funneled to himself through fake billings, transferred to a bank account he made appear to be a CDC account, but was actually his?

The real question here is "Did Thorsen actually defraud the CDC, or was top CDC management part of a conspiracy to funnel money to Thorsen, and his co-conspirators, for their dirty work." This article asks that question. And, where is the other million?

I will show you why I ask that. I have very good reason

- See more at: http://www.bolenreport.com/Mark%20Ge....s3pe7GPY.dpuf

[LadyShea]

RE: all that stuff about the Geier's cases. It's all over.

Dr. Mark Geier loses license in Illinois, Missouri over Lupron treatment for autism - Chicago Tribune

Mark Geier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On April 27, 2011, the Maryland State Board of Physicians suspended Mark Geier's medical license as an "emergency action", saying he "endangers autistic children and exploits their parents by administering to the children a treatment protocol that has a known substantial risk of serious harm and which is neither consistent with evidence-based medicine nor generally accepted in the relevant scientific community."[26] The board ruled that Geier misdiagnosed patients, diagnosed patients without sufficient tests, and recommended risky treatments without fully explaining the risks to the parents. They also ruled that he misrepresented his credentials, including during an interview with the board. Geier's lawyer, Joseph A. Schwartz III said the basis of the complaint was a "bona fide dispute over therapy", and hoped for a fair hearing to challenge the board's accusations.[27]

The suspension was reaffirmed in May 2011,[28] and upheld on appeal in March 2012, after a full evidentiary hearing before the Office of Administrative Hearings in Maryland.[29] Geier's licenses to practice medicine in the states of Washington,[30] Virginia [31] and California [32] were suspended as well.

In June 2012, Geier was charged with violation of the Maryland suspension by continuing to practice medicine without a license.[33]

In August 2012, Geier's license was formally revoked by the Maryland State Board of Physicians.[34]

On 5 November 2012, the Missouri Medical board and the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation revoked Geier’s license, both citing action taken by the Maryland State Board of Physicians.[35]

On April 12, 2013, Geier's last medical license in the United States was revoked by the state medical board of Hawaii.[36]

In 2011, his son David Geier was charged by the Maryland State Board of Physicians with practicing as a licensed physician when he only has a Bachelor of Arts degree in biology,[37] and was fined $10,000 in July 2012.[35]

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

RE: all that stuff about the Geier's cases. It's all over.

Dr. Mark Geier loses license in Illinois, Missouri over Lupron treatment for autism - Chicago Tribune

Mark Geier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But last January, 2011, in Chiba, Japan, at the United Nations Environment Programme - Intergovernmental Negotiating Committee to prepare a global legally binding instrument on Mercury (INC2)., the Geiers, and Lisa Sykes, President of the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD), sent this group of top world scientists, formally representing 150 countries, into orbit over the Thimerosal in vaccine issue. Within weeks the attack on the Geiers began in their home State of Maryland.

But, that coordinated attack is faltering - and its intent to discredit the Geiers on the world scene is falling on deaf ears. The Geiers have been openly re-invited to present once again in front of this group - this time in Africa...

Most important is that the United Nations committee did NOT buy into the attempt to discredit the Geiers. They invited them, once again, to present their case against the vaccine industry in detail, this time at the treaty negotiation in Nairobi, Kenya from October 31 through November 4, 2011, You can read the UN letter to the Geiers by clicking here.

And, this is not the only place the industry is losing the battle...

Big Pharma, itself, is floundering.

- See more at: The United Nations Invites Mark Geier MD to Lead the Charge Against the Vaccine Industry ...

[LadyShea]

LOL, yet again you are posting stuff from 2011...that's all done gone. It's 2013 now.

Mercury will continue to be used in vaccines. So sayeth a UN treaty. As Gaia Health has said, ‘The upcoming mercury treaty will not ban mercury in vaccines. Instead, it will most likely have the opposite effect. It will probably prevent nations from banning mercury-laden vaccines.’

the reality is that a report issued shortly after their presentation effectively dismissed CoMeD’s representatives, Geier and Geier. Here’s what was stated:

GACVS [Global Advisory Committee on Vacine Safety] also reviewed a series of studies by Geier and Geier alleging reduction of neurodevelopmental disorders in the United States of America following discontinuation of thiomersal-containing vaccines in the national immunization programme. The Committee found a number of limitations, including: inaccessibility to the reader of the data on which the analysis was made; lack of clear case definitions for the conditions referred to in the paper; unclear or insufficient description of applied statistical methods; assumption made by the authors that the toxicity of ethyl-mercury is equivalent to that of methyl-mercury (an assumption that cannot necessarily be made, and against which various authorities have warned); assumption in the paper that the populations under study are similar (there is every possibility in the methods used of election bias); and a failure to account for changing reporting patterns for diseases attributed to the vaccines over the years of the study. Published outcomes regarding neurodevelopment and heart disease following administration of thiomersal-containing vaccines do not meet the scientific criteria required to suggest causal relationship … The Committee therefore found the conclusions made by these authors unconvincing.[1]


Mercury Treaty Finalized: Mercury Stays in Vaccines - Gaia Health

The blue text had been snipped on the website Gaia Health, so I got it from the actual UN report PDF

[LadyShea]

Note that the Geiers argued that neurodevelopmental disorders HAVE DECLINED SINCE THIMEROSAL WAS DISCONTINUED.

So do you agree with the Geiers that there are fewer cases today of neurodevelopmental disorders, or are you still arguing that they are more prevalent than ever before?

Do you plan to weasel again? Or will you answer the simple question as to your own position...which is "What exactly is your position?"

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You keep talking about numerous errors? What errors are you referring to? And don't refer to his discovery on the eyes.

Lets see,

Every choice we make is in the direction of greater satisfaction.

Young people fall in love with another persons genitals.

Married People will not sleep in the same bed because they don't want to.

There will be no divorce since people will be in love for life, even if the two are incompatible.

Everyone will receive a minimum salary for life, even if they stop working and don't produce anything, with no source for the money.

Prices for goods and services will never go up but wages will go up.

No-one will ever ask for anything, because that would imply blame if they are refused.

Everyone is born again but we are not reincarnated, and there is no connection from one person to the next.

The cue ball always falls with the eight ball.

That should be enough to get things started.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Usually inbreeding causes a mutation that is not desired. It is something that goes awry due to inbreeding.

Did you even read what you wrote, if inbreeding caused an undesired mutation, more inbreeding would not make it go away, it would magnify it and strengthen it.

[Stephen Maturin]

lol Even anti-vaxers consider Tim Bolen an unhinged whackadoo.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

This does not contradict what I said. Most heritable diseases are due to both parent's carrying a recessive trait that leads to the child having the disease. If it were true that the Amish don't carry this autistic gene, then that would imply the general population does carry the recessive gene of autism, which has not been proven.

Heritable traits come in both recessive and dominate forms, with a dominate gene only one is needed to produce the characteristic, with a recessive gene both sides must contribute the trait for it to present. How do you know that the gene for autism (if there is such a gene) is recessive, do you have some information that you are withholding from the medical community, just because you are a jerk? FYI, the gene for autism (if it exists) may be dominate but rare.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Note that the Geiers argued that neurodevelopmental disorders HAVE DECLINED SINCE THIMEROSAL WAS DISCONTINUED.

So do you agree with the Geiers that there are fewer cases today of neurodevelopmental disorders, or are you still arguing that they are more prevalent than ever before?

Do you plan to weasel again? Or will you answer the simple question as to your own position...which is "What exactly is your position?"

I'm not weaseling. I have read reports that autism has not gone up after the removal of thimerosal. So someone is lying. Why don't read this report? Both sides can't be lying.

The Fallacy of Thimerosal Removal & Autism Increase: A Failure of Science, A Bigger Failure to Children Worldwide

System failure By Jake Crosby

Readers of Age of Autism are aware of the term “the big hungry lie” coined by regular contributor J.B. Handley, used to describe the tactics of the CDC and the drug industry’s attempts to disassociate autism from vaccines in any way, shape, or form.

Perhaps the biggest lie of all is the one that has been repeated all too long, that after thimerosal was reduced or eliminated from vaccines, autism rates continued to go up. There have been multiple instances of this claim and each time it has been proven false, right up to the recent lie that after thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 2001, autism rates continue to increase. These two claims, the first that thimerosal was removed from vaccines, and the second that autism rates have not gone down as a result, continue to be used to justify the injection of thimerosal into pregnant women and children with flu shots. The claims have also been used to justify the immunization of children in developing countries with vaccines preserved with thimerosal. Sadly, neither claim is any more truthful than previous equally erroneous claims, the earliest of which originated from Scandinavia, then spread to Canada and most recently came out of California.

The Fallacy of Thimerosal Removal & Autism Increase: A Failure of Science, A Bigger Failure to Children Worldwide - AGE OF AUTISM

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

lol Even anti-vaxers consider Tim Bolen an unhinged whackadoo.

You love to classify anyone who is not in your camp. That way you can just write people off and not take any time to do the research. How many people so far have you considered whackadoo including me and my father? Your whackadoo meter is exploding!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Did you even read what you wrote, if inbreeding caused an undesired mutation, more inbreeding would not make it go away, it would magnify it and strengthen it.

I didn't say inbreeding would not make it go away. I said that it may cause a mutation. Can't you read?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Lets see,

Every choice we make is in the direction of greater satisfaction.

Young people fall in love with another persons genitals.

Married People will not sleep in the same bed because they don't want to.

There will be no divorce since people will be in love for life, even if the two are incompatible.

Everyone will receive a minimum salary for life, even if they stop working and don't produce anything, with no source for the money.

Prices for goods and services will never go up but wages will go up.

No-one will ever ask for anything, because that would imply blame if they are refused.

Everyone is born again but we are not reincarnated, and there is no connection from one person to the next.

The cue ball always falls with the eight ball.

That should be enough to get things started.

You are completely ignorant of what this book is about yet you come off like you're some kind of expert. You have absolutely NO understanding of the economic system. I'm glad I asked that question because it confirms to me the kind of stupid answer I would get coming from you.

[The Lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I didn't say inbreeding would not make it go away. I said that it may cause a mutation. Can't you read?

Can you?

Inbreeding does not cause mutations. Now go do your homework and learn what a "mutation" is.

[Cynthia of Syracuse]

[quote=peacegirl;1159764]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Mercury — Thimersol & Neurodevelopment Outcomes

Affidavit Of Boyd E. Haley. Professor And Chair. Department Of Chemistry. University Of Kentucky

You mean This Boyd E. Haley?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Can you?

Inbreeding does not cause mutations. Now go do your homework and learn what a "mutation" is.

That wasn't the right word. So now you're going to use this against me?

WHAT IS A MUTATION?

A mutation is a permanent change in the DNA sequence of a gene. Mutations in a gene's DNA sequence can alter the amino acid sequence of the protein encoded by the gene.

Inbreeding does not cause mutations. Inbreeding merely increase the number of genes that are homozygous. That means the children of closely related parents are likely to inherit two copies of the same gene. If both copies are good than there is no problem. If both copies are bad, or if some of the bad copies are sex-linked, then the likelihood of disease and developmental problems may be increased. For example, white tigers and pure bred dogs are often highly inbred and they often have more health problems than mutts. The disease hemophilia was common among European royalty because they were often the children of close relatives. The disease is sex-linked, and the gene is located on the X chromosome. It is recessive. That means only if both parents are carriers is a child likely to inherit the condition. Since males have only one x chromosome, they are more likely to inherit the disease if their mother carries the gene. The daughter of a male hemophiliac may not exhibit the disease if her mother does not carry the gene because she only need one good copy to shield her from the disease, even though the copy of x chromosome from her father contains the trait.

Why does inbreeding cause mutations? - Yahoo! Answers

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You mean This Boyd E. Haley?

The FDA is so corrupt they have the nerve to say they would worry about giving a small child anything that hasn't been scrutinized for safety.

"I would worry a lot about giving anything to a small child that hasn't been scrutinized for both safety and efficacy by the FDA," said antioxidant expert Dr. L. Jackson Roberts, a pharmacologist at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine.

OSR#1: Industrial chemical or autism treatment? - Page 2 - Chicago Tribune
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FDA scientists have become so fed up with the criminal behavior of their own administration that they've filed a strongly-worded complaint with President-elect Obama, alleging the FDA has been deeply "corrupted and distorted."

FDA managers, the letter explains, are "placing the American people at risk" by using tactics of intimidation to censor scientific debate within the FDA. This scientific censorship agenda, of course, mirrors the exact same tactics used by the FDA outside the agency against makers of nutritional supplements or herbal products. Intimidation and censorship, it seems, are part of the very fabric of the FDA.

The letter explains that FDA managers "have ignored serious safety and effectiveness concerns of FDA experts." It then goes on to explain:

"Managers have ordered, intimidated and coerced FDA experts to modify scientific evaluations, conclusions and recommendations in violation of the laws, rules and regulations, and to accept clinical and technical data that is not scientifically valid."

In other words, the FDA is being run like a criminal mob operation with a complete disregard for actual science.

Fascinatingly, this letter shows that the FDA's own scientists agree with the NaturalNews view that the FDA is running a criminal racket, using the very same tactics relied on by organized crime!

Learn more: FDA is Deeply "Corrupted and Distorted," Claim Its Own Scientists in Protest Letter by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

[Stephen Maturin]

lol Jake Crosby anti-vax nutter slap fight.

Originally Posted by Cynthia of Syracuse

You mean This Boyd E. Haley?

That guy's clearly a quack. All right-thinking people know that the most effective autism treatments are bleach enemas, colloidal silver, homeopathy and camel's milk.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't think that is correct.

Don't think what's correct? The claim that mercury in vaccines is "50 times more toxic than plain old mercury" clearly requires support. The chiropractor who authored the article you cited claimed support from the "facts" that infants lack blood-brain barriers and don't produce bile. In truth, those statements were the opposite of facts. Thus, the claimed support for the contention that mercury in vaccines is "50 times more toxic than plain old mercury" was chimerical. There's no room for debate on that point.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

How can you say that Stephen? That's a crock.

It's very simple, really. I've never read or even heard-tell of any Mercola.com article that didn't contain at least one egregious factual error. Moreover, Joe Mercola himself is all about exploiting fear to peddle woo products. Maybe there is an accurate article and/or an author with pristine motives somewhere on Mercola.com, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to look for them.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

No it does not.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. As I see it, a single half-hour of Joker's Wild is infinitely more valuable than an entire ocean of whale.to drivel.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

we're talking about the possibility of mercury in infants being the cause of neurological deficits.

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

You are generalizing.

No kidding. The generalization that anti-vaxers shoot themselves in the foot when they make false claims is perfectly valid. The same is true any other group.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

How can you implicate an entire group of researchers the likes of neuro-scientists and Ph.Ds, pediatricians, as well as people whose children have been directly hurt by vaccines, just because you want to have the final word?

(1) I couldn't care less about having the final word. I don't have a dog in this fight at all. My limited interest stems from the lulz that flow from watching anti-vaxers flail.

(2) I agree that the dumbass chiropractor's false claims about bile and blood-brain barriers do not taint the "work" of other anti-vaxers. Not to worry, though, since there's more than enough individualized taint to go around.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Your whackadoo meter is exploding!

lol Ya go that right.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I didn't say inbreeding would not make it go away. I said that it may cause a mutation. Can't you read?

You said that mutations go away due to inbreeding, there are your posts.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You are completely ignorant of what this book is about yet you come off like you're some kind of expert. You have absolutely NO understanding of the economic system. I'm glad I asked that question because it confirms to me the kind of stupid answer I would get coming from you.

So you don't deny that these are some of Lessans errors?