A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ceptimus

The reason why the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is relevant to the vaccines/autism subject is that vaccinations are routinely given to children at about the same age when autism traits begin to become apparent; also even those people who believe that vaccinations cause autism admit that this only happens to a small minority of vaccinated children.

Then why are children in the Amish population not developing autism at the age of 3, or showing any traits whatsoever? You are assuming that developing autism is normal and that a certain amount of children will get it. You also say that a small minority of children get it. One in 100,000 children on the autism spectrum is not a small minority.

Originally Posted by Ceptimus

Now, imagine that no child was ever diagnosed with autism in the hours or days following a vaccination - that would be amazing! It would show that the vaccine, as well as protecting against, say, measles as intended was also giving temporary immunity against developing autism!

How is it giving temporary immunity against autism if the adjuvants in the vaccines have the potential to cause inflammation or demyelination?

Originally Posted by Ceptimus

Let's say we want to scientifically test whether vaccinations cause autism symptoms in three-year-old children during the week following vaccination. First we would need to establish a baseline of how many unvaccinated three-year-olds showed the first signs of autism in a given week: for the sake of argument we can say this happens to 1 child out of every 100,000. Now for every million vaccinations given to three-year-olds we would expect about ten of those children to show autism signs in the week following vaccination - even if when the vaccine has no causal effect on autism whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Ceptimus

This is exactly what scientists have already done.

Sorry, but you can't establish a definite number of children who get autism and then use that as a baseline to prove that vaccines are not the cause. It's not linear like this. Comparing populations is better than this sort of test, and the Amish are a good population to compare because very few are vaccinated. Of course you will find some flaw in this type of study, but why is your study any less flawed?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Apparently so are you.

There's no mystery to it. You started trying to discuss it again. Which has of course immediately led to more weaseling on your part.

I did not start trying to discuss it again. So let us stop right now. You believe there is no way efferent vision can be right, and I'm tired of defending it.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

You're trying to defend the indefensible with made-up ad hoc rationalizations. The only evidence we have of what O'Shea meant was what he wrote, i.e., "There's no blood-brain barrier in infants." That's a false statement, plain and simple.

What you believe is bereft of consequence. He wrote that "There's no blood-brain barrier in infants," which is wrong as a simple matter of fact.

Pointing out that the statement "There's no blood-brain barrier in infants" is false does not qualify as "splitting hairs" under any meaningful understanding of that term.

Anything posted on Whale.to is inherently unreliable. Remember, you're citing as authoritative people who think Protocols of the Elders of Zion is for real.

O'Shea wrote that "Infants don't produce bile," period. he did not qualify the statement in any way, shape or form. The undisputed fact that the statement is false is not a mere technicality.

My goal was to develop an approach to use in determining which claims warrant further investigation, given the virtually infinite number of claims out there and the very limited investigation time. The approach I use works extraordinarily well in that respect.

The odious nutjobbery I was talking about is all posted on his website. It ain't like he's ashamed of it or anything.

As previously mentioned, it's an approach and it works very well.

Possible, but so exceeding improbable as to render the effort unjustifiable.

Oh, all right.

Much like federal regulation of the scuzzball financial/lending industry, regulation of the drug and medical device industries is all too often illusory. Most of the time, the FDA serves as little more than the bought-and-paid-for toadies of the very industries it's supposed to regulate. That, of course, is bad news for drug and medical device safety.

The surest way to make drug and device manufacturers stand up and take notice is very large adverse money judgments in civil lawsuits. In that regard, however, Congress, the FDA and the federal courts combine to set preemption, procedural and substantive law hurdles so high that few can clear them. Again, it's all about protecting the status quo.

So yeah, fuck the FDA.

Nope, not at all.

However, I'll retract the "dumbass" allegation and substitute "liar." O'Shea's had sufficient training in human anatomy that the only reasonable supposition is that he had actual knowledge his statements about infants, the blood-brain barrier and bile production were false. Despite that knowledge, he made the statements anyway. Again, that's contemptible.

No, that's incorrect. The statements "There's no blood-brain barrier in infants" and "Infants don't produce bile" are entirely false. Your eagerness to defend O'Shea's false statements by positing meanings not even remotely suggested by the words he used doesn't bode well for your credibility.

I already know why the issue isn't going away.

Yep, few things improve quality of life as much as sharing your home with a good dog or three. Got any photos of yours?

I'm glad your way of figuring out who are the liars is working for you. I don't have any pictures of my dogs at the present time. I may have my kids take some pictures from their iphone and I'll upload them. I have an Old English sheepdog (Zoe) and a shitzu (Archie). My sheepdog is 14. I don't know how much longer I'll have her. My shitzu is 6. I saved him from getting hit by a car and I never could find the owners. Since we're on the subject of vaccines, I only got my sheepdog a rabies vaccination one time and she had a bad reaction (her fur got darker at the injection site and she developed skin problems; I don't know if it was directly caused by the vaccine but I wasn't going to take any chances) so I never got her another one. My shitzu has not had any vaccinations and he's doing just fine.

Side Effects and Adverse Reactions - Petfinder

[LadyShea]

the Amish are a good population to compare because very few are vaccinated.

This is not true. The majority are vaccinated according to multiple sources I posted for you last week.

[LadyShea]

I only got my sheepdog a rabies vaccination one time and she had a bad reaction (her fur got darker at the injection site and she developed skin problems; I don't know if it was directly caused by the vaccine but I wasn't going to take any chances) so I never got her another one

My mothers dog is extremely allergic to pretty much everything, including vaccines. He collapsed in anaphylactic shock 3 minutes after getting his shots. She was given an exemption from the state's rabies license requirements.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

This is not true. The majority are vaccinated according to multiple sources I posted for you last week.

On top of which, even if none of them were vaccinated, the Amish are a horrible control group because their lifestyle differs from the surrounding populations in so many other ways, not to mention their semi-isolated gene pool.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Regardless of what the reaction was due to, I am trying to make a point that the person who had that reaction was caused by the drug. The drug was responsible. There was a CAUSAL connection that cannot be denied.

Huh? You just said "Regardless of the cause, the cause was the drug, because the drug was the cause."

Roundness is the cause of circles because of the circularity

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Adam

On top of which, even if none of them were vaccinated, the Amish are a horrible control group because their lifestyle differs from the surrounding populations in so many other ways, not to mention their semi-isolated gene pool.

I was just thinking about that, because after all autism spectrum disorders are impairments with social interaction and communication. Surely in some cultures there is no apparent impairment, because the social interaction and communications expectations are so different.

Additionally, those on the least impaired end, like some mild cases of Asperger's, are highly functional even in standard American culture, especially in the right environment for themselves...in the Amish lifestyle, with its structure and rules, they might not be impaired at all. There would be no need to seek treatment or diagnosis for someone who functions just fine within their specific environment.

[ceptimus]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

How is it giving temporary immunity against autism if the adjuvants in the vaccines have the potential to cause inflammation or demyelination?

Do you ever actually read and attempt to understand a post, or do you always just skim through it looking for trigger words?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

This is not true. The majority are vaccinated according to multiple sources I posted for you last week.

What about previous studies before the Amish became inculcated with the Western way of doing things?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ceptimus

Do you ever actually read and attempt to understand a post, or do you always just skim through it looking for trigger words?

That is a non answer Ceptimus, and the only conclusion I can come to is that you don't know what you're talking about but you're trying really really hard to show that you do know what you're talking about.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I was just thinking about that, because after all autism spectrum disorders are impairments with social interaction and communication. Surely in some cultures there is no apparent impairment, because the social interaction and communications expectations are so different.

Additionally, those on the least impaired end, like some mild cases of Asperger's, are highly functional even in standard American culture, especially in the right environment for themselves...in the Amish lifestyle, with its structure and rules, they might not be impaired at all. There would be no need to seek treatment or diagnosis for someone who functions just fine within their specific environment.

This is such a ridiculous answer that I am pulling my hair out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

What about previous studies before the Amish became inculcated with Western ideas?

1. @ the notion that the Amish are not "Western"
2. The Amish are still a horrible control group because, as noted, their lifestyles differ greatly from the surrounding populations and they have a semi-isolated gene pool

Do you understand the purpose of a control group? You want them to be as close as possible to the experimental group in all senses except the one variable you're actually investigating.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

My mothers dog is extremely allergic to pretty much everything, including vaccines. He collapsed in anaphylactic shock 3 minutes after getting his shots. She was given an exemption from the state's rabies license requirements.

I am sorry for what happened to your mother's dog, and anaphylactic shock is one reaction that can kill very quickly, but don't be fooled that there aren't other side effects from vaccines that are causing dogs to deteriorate rapidly.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. @ the notion that the Amish are not "Western"
2. The Amish are still a horrible control group because, as noted, their lifestyles differ greatly from the surrounding populations and they have a semi-isolated gene pool

Do you understand the purpose of a control group? You want them to be as close as possible to the experimental group in all senses except the one variable you're actually investigating.

That's just the point. Western people are the control group. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO, IS SOMEONE THERE?

[Vivisectus]

That's just the point. Western people are the control group. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO, IS SOMEONE THERE?

you don't know what you're talking about but you're trying really really hard to show that you do know what you're talking about.

[Dragar]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

That is a non answer Ceptimus, and the only conclusion I can come to is that you don't know what you're talking about but you're trying really really hard to show that you do know what you're talking about.

You're wrong. ceptimus' observations are spot on, and you're just dismissing him without reading anything he's written. Your hostility is obviously because you are afraid of the threat he poses to your worldview.

[Vivisectus]

I think "Cargo Cult Science" is a good way to describe PG's general attitude to what we can expect to be true.

[Adam]

Thanks to peacegirl, I think we've discovered yet another benefit of vaccination. Incidence of polydactyly among the Amish is much higher than it is in the general population, so we can reasonably conclude that vaccination prevents polydactyly. Science!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

This is not true. The majority are vaccinated according to multiple sources I posted for you last week.

WIZNITZER: Years ago, I thought about this idea among the Amish population here in northeast Ohio, to whom I am actually the neurologist. And I went to the public health nurses and said, tell me about their vaccination rates. And I was told that there is a very high rate of vaccination amongst the Amish population. Out of ten thousand of individuals in our population, we have one child with autism. I see all these children.

The fact is, we can’t basically use the argument. It’s much more complex than just vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

But the following extract by journalist and former senior UPI Editor Dan Olmsted disagrees:-

“Wang is the medical director, and a physician and researcher, at the DDC Clinic for Special Needs Children, created three years ago to treat the Amish in northeastern Ohio.
“I take care of all the children with special needs,” he said, putting him in a unique position to observe autism. “The one case Wang has identified is a 12-year-old boy.”

He said half the children in the area were vaccinated, half weren’t. That child, he said, was vaccinated, but let’s not split hairs here. Either vaccinated or unvaccinated, that’s a low rate — 1 in 5000. The question I didn’t think to ask at the time but will soon, is, exactly how were those half vaccinated? Flu shots for pregnant moms? Hep B at birth? Chickenpox and MMR on the same day at one year? Rotavirus, Hep B, Hep A, and on and on? Or did it look more like the less intense, less front-loaded schedule in place in the rest of the country back before the autism epidemic began? The kind Jenny and Jim and J.B. and Jerry (hey, the four J’s!) keep harking back to when the autism rate was, like, 1 in 10,000 and we still managed to stave off wholesale plagues.

Let’s even stipulate that the vaccine schedule for every single Amish child is now fully loaded and follows the CDC to a T. What is Wiznitzer’s point? That the Amish genes protect them? Well, good for them, then, let’s find out why. Or, that some kind of other environmental risk is absent? In that case, autism is a genetic vulnerability with an environmental trigger, and something about the Amish world is not triggering it, which puts us back about where I started four years ago. There would have been plenty of time to have the answer right now if Julie Gerberding weren’t still filibustering the question by talking about numerators, denominators and getting more research into the pipeline as fast as bureaucratically possible (meaning never, never, never).

Autism In Amish Children – 1 in 10,000 | ________________Child Health Safety_________________

I’m about at that point when it comes to the Amish and their amazingly good health. There’s been story after story reporting the relative absence of Alzheimer’s, allergies, asthma – you know, the big chronic disorders that plague the people who live around them, namely the rest of us. Not to mention -- not ever -- the lack of autism.

Autism aside, the medical and media establishments still manage to evade the logical implications – something is protecting the overall health of this insular community whose rejection of many contemporary norms is legendary. You would think they would want to find out what that something is and try to clone it, stat, especially as the same disorders and diseases hit epidemic rates outside the Amish world and these same “experts” express complete bafflement about what’s going on.

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There was a fragment of a part of an ongoing study presented at IMFAR a couple of years ago in Philadelphia – I took the train over there to see for myself – that at least so far is pretty thin gruel for the you-betcha-the-Amish-are-loaded-up-with-Autism crowd. Of nine cases identified so far, three were from the same family and all had dysmorphic features similar to the father's that, the researchers acknowledged to me, suggested a genetic problem (not infrequent among the Amish due to their closed gene pool). A health professional I brought over to look at the poster presentation thought this family had signs of something called Menkes disease, an X-linked neurodegenerative disorder of impaired copper transport. Not too idiopathic in my book. (And a noted autism researcher told me he believes he has encountered this family at a conference, and that the mother reported all three regressed after the MMR. Two unvaccinated children were not affected.)

Dan Olmsted: The Amish All Over Again - AGE OF AUTISM

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

My mothers dog is extremely allergic to pretty much everything, including vaccines. He collapsed in anaphylactic shock 3 minutes after getting his shots. She was given an exemption from the state's rabies license requirements.

Added to previous post:

I am sorry for what happened to your mother's dog. Anaphylactic shock is one reaction that can kill very quickly, but don't be fooled that there aren't other side effects from vaccines that are causing dogs to deteriorate.

Vaccinations and How They Disrupt the Immune System
Patricia Jordan DVM Dr-Jordan.com — Natural Alternatives for your Pet's Health

There is historical evidence that the Chinese were the first to attempt the theory of vaccination during the Song Dynasty (960-1279).1 This procedure was called virolation and was first used with small pox crusts as snuff to blow up the nostrils of people they hoped to affect. Virolation by the Chinese predates the small pox work of Edward Jenner, Farmer Jesty and Lady Montague by five centuries.2 The Chinese discontinued the attempts at vaccination as they discovered the process did not help and actually made conditions worse for the patient. How intelligent this deduction was back in that period of time. The Chinese from the medical perspective saw the vaccine as a pathogen and invoked the Divergent Meridians to take the pathogen and translocate it to the interior of the body. In order to do this, to make the pathogen latent, the body had to expend its resources, Yuan Qi and Yin-Jing which is dense and heavy and kept the pathogen dormant (which the body does in the joints/bones/marrow).

The problems in babies and in animals of all ages that are receiving a continuous yearly load of pathogen impact via vaccines, is that the Yuan Qi and Jing should not be disturbed at these young stages of development and thereafter so frequently in life. The additional problems of a poor diet , the use of excessive drugs like antibiotics and resultant Qi depletion is an overall lack of capability to maintain dormancy of the pathogens. When overwhelmed with vaccinations in addition, these mechanisms leave the individual vulnerable. With so many resources being allocated to deal with the vaccines, what is left of the Vital Force to handle the vicissitudes of daily living? Poor nutrition and environmental toxins and chemicals along with the synthetic use of drugs all tax and handicap the body, so that the bodies are coming into immune compromise and depletion much too quickly.

The vaccines themselves stimulate adverse reactions causing disease, disability, organ failure, cancer, autoimmune disease and sometimes death. The number of dog vaccines has grown from 4 administered only once or twice in a lifetime to 20 and often aggressively administered twice a year! The intent of this commentary is to introduce to the reader to just a few pathways of immunopathology resulting from vaccine administration. When dealing with a patient exhibiting any clinical signs, remember to obtain vaccine administration history and remember that the ancient Chinese were indeed able to link the correlation of vaccination to the disharmonies of health that followed.

In lectures I have attended by veterinary vaccine researchers such as Drs. Ron Schultz, Richard Ford, Jean Dodd and Dennis Macy, the pathways to pathology from vaccination have been clearly associated. The only vaccine that Dr. Ron Schultz is still advocating is the 3 way vaccine for the three lethal viruses, distemper, adenovirus and parvovirus (and the rabies until we get the laws changed).3 For the cat, the only lethal virus he advocates vaccination for is the feline distemper. Dr. Schultz lays out the pathology that follows cats vaccinated with herpes virus or calicivirus vaccines if administered by injection. He also advises that these vaccines against the lethal viruses are only necessary once in a lifetime to a mature mammalian immune system in order to result in genetic imprinting, incorporation of the viral proteins into the genome to affect pathogen sensitization of the patient’s immune cells. Additional administration just increases the adverse events and vaccine induced disease. Lymphoma is now understood to result from chronic B cell stimulation, chronic stimulation by antigen, vaccines result in antigenic stimulation, adjuvant ensures the chronic stimulation.4

The rabies virus vaccine is full of its own problems with autoimmune disease production and adverse events such as ascending paralysis and encephalitis which have occurred since Pasteur first started grinding up infected spinal cords and injecting them into subjects.5 There is evidence from as far back as 1954, published, and 1945, unpublished, that only one rabies vaccine injected into the mature body of a mammalian immune system is capable of sensitizing the patient for life against the rabies virus.6 Other work followed in the 1970’s. Research to confirm this is currently being performed by Dr. Schultz and his group as the vaccine manufacturers are not releasing their data that establishes this fact.7 There was a study done in France on cats and dogs vaccinated against rabies that showed that animals were still resisting a rabies viral challenge 5 years after vaccination.8 As well there are human cases where the rabies vaccine amnestic response has been effective for 14 years.9

Humans have pathogen recognition of small pox for 92 years after vaccination. Once thought to be 50 years in duration and even less when they first started the procedure of vaccine administration, it is now well understood that most viral vaccines give pathogen recognition for the entire life of the patient.10 My clinical experience is that this amnestic can also be passed vertically from one generation to the next, why not, it is genetic incorporation we are talking about. Dr. Ron Schultz and Dr. Jean Dodd are on record that only one or two rabies vaccines will be sufficient for the life of the animal and are both working with the Rabies Challenge Fund to establish the scientific criteria necessary to change the laws regarding rabies vaccination in this country.

In 1972 the American Veterinary Medical Association first recommended vaccinating yearly, despite the decades of successful use of vaccines administered only in the first year of life. Representatives from the drug manufacturers and several regulatory representatives were the ones whom advised the AVMA to institute a change to yearly vaccine recommendations, not active small animal practitioners and not immunologists.11 The AVMA enacted this radical change despite the clear acknowledgement that yearly vaccines were not necessary and that the current practice of only administering pediatric vaccines had been enough to successfully control infectious disease. What has resulted from this unscientific and non evidence based procedure of vaccination administration? Dr. Ron Schultz now sees autoimmune diseases in animals that previously did not exhibit this. Our farmed fishes that we now vaccinate due to the stress and disease that follow intensive farming practices are now being diagnosed with autoimmune diseases.12 The AVMA appointed Feline Vaccine Associated Sarcoma Task Force has a decade of research showing the vaccine induced cancers and not just in the feline species, not just at the injection site and not just sarcomas. The unparalleled rise of chronic degenerative diseases, cancer, allergies, asthma, autoimmune diseases, disability and deaths is illustrated in the following graphs using the increased rate of vaccination on humans 13.

Following is an incomplete list of adverse events and diseases that follow vaccination. After 25 years of being in the veterinary field, this list presented in 2007 at Warwick, Rhode Island is the first time in my veterinary career that any veterinary medical researcher has presented this information to veterinary professionals. (Schultz) Common Reactions included; lethargy, hair loss, hair color change at injection site (cutaneous vasculitis), fever, soreness, stiffness, refusal to eat, conjunctivitis, sneezing, and oral ulcers. Moderate reactions included; immunosuppression, behavioral changes, vitiligo, weight loss (cachexia), reduced milk production, lameness, granulomas/abscesses, hives, facial edema, atopy, respiratory disease and allergic uveitis (blue eye). Severe reactions triggered by vaccines included; vaccine injection site sarcomas, anaphylaxis, arthritis, polyarthritis, hypertrophy osteodystrophy, autoimmune hemolytic anemia, immune mediated thrombocytopenia, hemolytic disease of the newborn (neonatal isoerythrolysis), thyroiditis and glomerulonephritis. Disease or enhanced disease which with the vaccine was designed to prevent included; myocarditis, post vaccinal encephalitis or polyneuritis, seizures, abortion, congenital anomalies, embryonic/fetal death and infertility. Dr. Ron Schultz is one record with the statement that anytime you inject you could potentially kill the patient and to assume vaccination is safe is a serious misrepresentation of the facts.14 The AVMA is now on record with this caution not to assume the safety of vaccinations.

From these post vaccinal reactions, it can be understood that vaccination is not an “innocuous” procedure and that the risk versus the benefit of vaccination must be reviewed. For more information on vaccine induced disease, review the United State’s Federal Registry of adverse vaccine events in humans and the reported adverse events that follow vaccination reported through VAERS. The factual link of vaccination to damage is the reason the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act was made into law. Adverse events from vaccinations are grossly unreported in both human and veterinary medicine and the lack of a central independent site for registering vaccine adverse events leaves the veterinary medical professional at a serious advantage and unable to collect even an informed consent or full disclosure statement prior to the procedure. 15 The AVMA is on record with the statement that the canine immune system is not different from the mammalian immune system and thus the reporting of vaccine induced diseases in human medicine and research is relevant to what we see in practice. Oncology Diplomate Dr. Dennis Macy is a supporter of the Veterinary Vaccine Injury Compensation Act that would address vaccine injury from veterinary vaccines even though the only lawfully mandated vaccine for animals is the rabies vaccine. Since the suggestion that a single vaccination against only the lethal viruses was necessary by leading veterinary infectious disease experts, the author has studied what science did know about vaccine induced immunopathology and found the reasons to support a position of not causing disease in my patients through the additional vaccinations protocols still much too prevalent today.

The following is a brief overview of some of the pathophysiology produced by vaccination reported in the scientific literature: the different ingredients in the vaccines, aluminum and mercury are linked to immune dysregulation as are the viruses, the mutators and carcinogens in the vaccines. The big moment of epiphany for the author was the reaction that the antigen in vaccines does much to dysregulate the immune system by the very interaction with immune cells leading to autoantibody production, autoimmune disease, loss of tolerance, immune mediated pathology, all four forms (type I-IV) of immune system reactions, oxidative damage, chronic inflammation, cancer, to even speeding up the aging process (Selye’s Disease)

1. Lymphocyte suppression from canine polyvalent vaccines in dogs and in chickens with the avian pneumovirus vaccine. 16

2. Post vaccinal lesions of the nervous system and the role of the autoimmune process of pathogenesis. 17

3. Immune mediated glomerulonephritis, amyloidosis, uveitis, polyarthritis, non-regenerative anemia, renal organ failure and hepatic organ failure, auto-inflammatory syndrome, immune mediated inflammatory neuropathies, autoimmune encephalomyelitis, Gullian Barre Syndrome (post infectious auto-immune disease) Common Immune Deficiency, ischemic dermatopathologies (cutaneous vasculitis), post injection site granuloma, necrotizing panniculitis, vaccine induced type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome, heart disease, pericarditis, myocarditis, dilated cardiomyelopathy, acute coronary events, vaccine induced enhancement of viral infection, aberrant viral pathogenesis, IgE class switching and behavioral changes of increased anxiety, increased aggression and increased compulsive obsessive disorder.18

4.Molecular mimicry (example of how measles in MWR vaccine is able to cause SSPE subacute sclerosing panencephalitis which is autism), distemper and molecular mimicry leading to myelin sheath autoimmune inflammation, neuropathy, cognitive dysfunction, chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathies, and thimerasol in vaccines altering the function of the dendritic cells in antigen presentation 19

5.Particularities of the vasculature which promotes organ specificity of autoimmune disease. 20

6. Histamine dysregulation up or down as a result of vaccinations. 21

7. Inflammatory arthritis and intractable chronic arthritis. 22

8. Immune mediated thyroiditis 23

9. Thymic depletion 24

10. Autoimmunity, loss of tolerance 25

11. Vascular induction of mini-strokes, blood stasis 26

12. T cell suppression allowing co-infections with bacteria, viruses, fungus, yeast and parasites (intestinal and dermatophyte)27

13. Immunodeficiency (this imparts the necessity to NOT vaccinate in any situation the cats that are Felv or FIV positive and the necessity of knowing the immune status before any stressful immunosuppressive actions taken against them (e.g. anesthesia, spay, neuter). Vaccinating immunosupressed individuals increases adverse events and expression of the very infections they are being vaccinated against. This holds true for the patients undergoing chemotherapy and other immune suppressing medications e.g. cyclosporine (Atopica) prescribed for over reactive immune systems up regulated from damage associated with earlier vaccine administration.28

14. Cytokine cascade promotion and onset of inflammatory cascade 29

The above list is not comprehensive as that would be beyond the scope of this commentary due to space limitations, it is however the outline of a second book on vaccine damage by this author. There is voluminous evidence for the association of cancer with vaccines and the International Agency for Research on Cancer and the World Health Organization have clearly established the information that adjuvant in vaccines are Grade 3 out of 4 carcinogens, with Grade 4 being the most likely to induce cancer.30 Dr. Rich Ford has stated that the adjuvant aluminum in the vaccines is one culprit in mutating our genome and specifically the P53 oncogene thereby ruining the individual’s ability to stop tumor genesis.31 The smoking gun proof of this is the presence of the blue grey aluminum foreign body retrieved from biopsy specimens of vaccinated individuals. The vaccines are causing cancer formation not just in cats but also dogs and ferrets and not just at the injection site of a vaccine. The fact that these very same vaccine ingredients are the same carcinogens in the childhood vaccines mandated by our government in the national childhood vaccine program is of serious concern. The rise in childhood brain cancer is the most highly associated vaccine administered cancer in children and this is of certain consequence to the current vaccines and vaccination protocols32.

It is understood now, that vaccination is not the same as immunization, that production of antibody is not the same as immunity and to the vaccinologists out there Dr. Ron Schultz states “this is an indefensible practice”.33 Since 1978 veterinary vaccine research authorities have been advising against yearly vaccinations.34 Vaccination has never been linked to any science or evidence based medicine but only to precedence and since 1978 to the generation of income.35 The problem with the veterinarians over-vaccinating is now causing public health problems. Emory University’s Rollins’ School of Public Health has a published a paper on how human illness is associated with use of veterinary vaccines.36 Others, like Dr. Traavik, Biosafety Officer for the country of Norway, are alerting us to the dangers of the recombinant vaccine technology, the use of chimera viruses that are transferring disease to man.37 Dr. Michael Fox has been concerned about the impact of the unregulated and uncontrolled use of these genetically engineered viruses in vaccines and the future this plaque is bringing upon mankind.38

My research into the number of rabies vaccines recently recalled and the hundreds of thousands of human rabies vaccines recalled in the past for “failure to inactivate the rabies virus” are very disconcerting as is the recall of rabies vaccines due to unauthorized inclusion of human DNA in the vaccines. Vaccines do not enjoy any science of benefit and were never shown historically to even affect the level of infectious diseases. John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health includes this information on their website. How far do we have to continue to keep ourselves immunized against the fact that the very act of vaccination is what is causing disease in this westernized world?

Vaccination is an obstacle to cure; vaccination is the induction into a cycle of disease and disease management that is in every way a violation of the AVMA 1969 Veterinary Oath, in every way including public health and animal welfare.

The use of TCVM will not be able to successfully restore health to our patients if vaccinations are allowed to continue to corrupt the patient’s immune system. Blood stasis, Qi depletion, Liver Yin Deficiency and Blood Deficiency will always be the root of disease while vaccinations remain the non-evidence based medical procedure that is the hallmark of conventional medicine. The body’s Qi will try to imprison these toxins and poisons in the joints bone and marrow, but the body with continual bombardment will be quickly depleted. Our patients deserve to have us conform to our duties spoken in the Veterinary Oath and our obligation to stay current with the advancements of scientific research.

In my opinion, vaccination is not science based, nor evidence based medicine, but rather the risky business fulfilled by corporations able to control the licensing and the distribution, administration and promotion even the mandate by law of this poisoning of the blood. The Chinese were correct in the age of the Song Dynasty, the Dynasty associated with both Emperor’s Song and the people’s technological advancements. The ancient Chinese were able to abandon a practice that proved ineffective and proved an impediment to restoring health. This is an example where old medicine is new again and once again a gift to the world from the people of China.

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1. Temple R. The Genius of China: 3,000 Years of Science, Discovery, and Invention. New York: Simon and Schuster, Inc. 1986: 135.
2. Behbehani AM. The small pox story: life and death of an old disease. Microbiological Reviews Dec 1983; Vol 47 No.4: 455-509.
3. Schultz R. Everything you need to know about vaccines. Seminar Danbury, CT, June 15, 2007 Sponsored by Cavaliers of the Northeast.
4. Zangani MM et al. Lymphomas can develop from B cells chronically helped by idiotype specific T cells. Journal of Experimental Medicine 2007; 204 (5): 1181-1191.
5. Morden M. MD, Rabies Past Present in Scientific Review. Mokelumne, California: Health Research Publisher 1947: also Rabies Radio address WWRL, Jan 25, 1947
Ahasar HA, et al. Neuroparalytic complications after anti-rabies vaccine (inactivated nervous tissue vaccine). Trop Doct 1995 Apr; 25 (2):94.
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[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ceptimus

Do you ever actually read and attempt to understand a post, or do you always just skim through it looking for trigger words?

I read your post and I don't understand your point? Are you concluding that the MMR vaccine protects against autism just because symptoms don't show up right after the injection?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Huh? You just said "Regardless of the cause, the cause was the drug, because the drug was the cause."

Roundness is the cause of circles because of the circularity

Let me correct that. Regardless of the type of reaction, if it came immediately after the shot, the cause was most likely the drug.

[ceptimus]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I read your post and I don't understand your point? Are you concluding that the MMR vaccine protects against autism just because symptoms don't show up right after the injection?

No. I'm saying that we should expect some cases of autism to appear right after the injection.

Say we take a million children, all three years old, vaccinate them and in the week following the vaccination ten of the children develop autism symptoms.

And we take a different million children, all three years old, DON'T vaccinate them and in the week following this non-event ten of those children also develop autism symptoms.

What would that tell you about the likely causal effect between vaccination and autism?

I thought my post was clear enough, but perhaps I don't write as clearly as I think I do.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Well that's an incredibly daft point to be making.

Why is that a daft point other than in your mind everything I say is daft?