A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Dragar

Sorry peacegirl, I know understanding mathematics and statistics and science is hard for you, but Lessans is as ruled out as all the other theories of vision we've ruled out.

The tests were spot on.

I'm mortified every time I'm compared to Lessans, believe me.

One day you will have great appreciation for what he accomplished, that is, if you're still living when this knowledge is brought to light.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

You're the only one who wants to leave but can't.

No you can't. You've tried several times and failed.

Spacemonkey, you are not one to talk. You have followed me to three different forums. I don't think you are capable of leaving and you are projecting your own lack of control onto me.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I did read them, I think their conclusions are wrong.

And you think that response is adequate? State whwere you think their conclusions are wrong?

Exposing the Vaccination for Immunity Fraud : Natural Society

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Your argument doesn't hold because vaccinated children still get sick. And the children who do get the illness end up with more permanent immunity. You mentioned that out of this Jewish outbreak of measles, kids got sick but no one died. How do you know the mother who had a miscarriage was directly the result of this outbreak? Mothers have miscarriages all the time.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Nobody died, true. But people were hospitalized, including the pregnant mother who miscarried. We know the miscarriage happened during her illness and hospitalization...so the timing implicates the measles was either a causal or contributing factor.

Okay, so if timing is important where miscarriage is concerned, timing is important where a child who gets sick right after a vaccine is concerned.

Isn't that how it works with vaccine injuries? If the illness follows the vaccine it's definitely the vaccine? Bailey Banks didn't have his seizure until 6 weeks post vax. Don't people develop medical issues and have seizures "all the time" too? How can we know if it was a direct result of the vaccine?

We don't know, but there is always a possibility therefore it cannot be ruled out, especially that the one common denominator between all of these children who are getting ill, is vaccines. I do not believe that you as a loving mother would just ignore this possibility and continue to vaccinate without being concerned.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Vaccinated children very rarely get ill with the diseases they have received vaccines for.

You have a blind spot.

Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 by: PF Louis

Suspicions have been confirmed for those wary of vaccinating their children. A recent large study corroborates other independent study surveys comparing unvaccinated children to vaccinated children.

They all show that vaccinated children have two to five times more childhood diseases, illnesses, and allergies than unvaccinated children.

Originally, the recent still ongoing study compared unvaccinated children against a German national health survey conducted by KiGGS involving over 17,000 children up to age 19. This currently ongoing survey study was initiated by classical homoeopathist Andreas Bachmair.

However, the American connection for Bachmair's study can be found at VaccineInjury.info website that has added a link for parents of vaccinated children to participate in the study. So far this ongoing survey has well over 11,000 respondents, mostly from the U.S.A. Other studies have surveyed smaller groups of families.

Nevertheless, the results were similar. Of course, none of these studies were picked up by the MSM (mainstream media). None were funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) or the World Health Organization (WHO) or any national or international health agency or medical profession group (Health Impact News).

They don't dare compare the health of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children objectively and risk disrupting their vaxmania (vaccination mania). The focus for all the studies was mostly on childhood illnesses occurring as the children matured.

Dramatic, debilitating, or lethal vaccine injuries were not the focus since so few, five percent or less, actually get reported to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Injury Reporting System) in the U.S.A. for various reasons including:

* It's a complicated system that takes time from a doctor's practice.
* Most parents don't know about it.
* Only adverse reactions that occur immediately after vaccinations are considered.
* Since VAERS is voluntary, most doctors don't want to incriminate themselves with vaccination injuries and maintain their denial of vaccine dangers.

Consequently, even the most terrible adverse reactions are minimally acknowledged, while long term negative health issues resulting from vaccines are not even considered relevant.

Different surveys summarized

The childhood diseases usually posed to respondents by the independent surveys involved asthma, reoccurring tonsillitis, chronic bronchitis, sinusitis, allergies, eczema, ear infections, diabetes, sleep disorders, bedwetting, dyslexia, migraines, hyperactivity, ADD, epilepsy, depression, and slower development of speech or motor skills.

In 1992, a New Zealand group called the Immunization Awareness Society (IAS) surveyed 245 families with a total of 495 children. The children were divided with 226 vaccinated and 269 unvaccinated. Eighty-one families had both vaccinated and unvaccinated children.

The differences were dramatic, with unvaccinated children showing far less incidence of common childhood ailments than vaccinated children (http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf).

From a different survey in the South Island New Zealand city of Christchurch, among children born during or after 1977, none of the unvaccinated children had asthma events where nearly 25% of the vaccinated children were treated for asthma by age 10 (http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf).

Many of the comments from non-vaccinating parents to VaccineInjury.info for the ongoing Bachmair survey mentioned vaccination danger and developing true immunity naturally were concerns (www.vaccineinjury.info - More transparency on vaccines and vaccine damages).

A PhD immunologist who wrote the book Vaccine Illusion, Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych, has gone against the dogma of her medical training and background. She asserts that true immunity to any disease is not conferred by vaccines. Exposure to the disease, whether contracted or not, does (International Medical Council on Vaccination).

Perhaps the most informal grass-roots survey going on now is by Tim O'Shea, DC, author of Vaccination is Not Immunization. He simply has non-vaccinating parents email him with comparisons of their children's health to friends and families they know with vaccinated children. That and more is available on his site (| The Doctor Within).

Sources for this article include:

Health Impact News

http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf

Learn more: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You keep talking about death. There is no proof that children who get measles in this day and age are dying even those who are not vaccinated.

There are over 100,00 dead children worldwide as proof. There is a miscarried fetus in New York as proof. In the Netherlands ongoing outbreak, with over 1200 cases, over 80 children have been hospitalized, some with meningitis, and their future prognosis is still unclear.[/quote]

What about the children who die from the vaccine? You're just as biased as the rest.

MMR vaccine kills another baby in Belgium
Thursday, June 14, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

The combination measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, which both the U.S. government and health authorities insist is completely safe for young children, has killed yet another child in the European nation of Belgium. Christina England over at VacTruth.com reports that Xandro Sanspuer, an 18-month-old boy from Renaix, Belgium, died recently after receiving the MMR vaccine from Kind & Gezin (K&G) Child and Family Health Center.

Young Xandro was still recovering from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a condition that causes respiratory tract infections, when a doctor at K&G advised Xandro's parents to have him vaccinated with MMR. Concerned about his son's health, Xandro's father Cedric explained to the doctor that Xandro was still gravely ill but recovering from the RSV infection, and requested that he first be thoroughly examined before the MMR vaccine even be considered.

The doctor reportedly complied with Cedric's request, but insisted upon examination that because Xandro's chest appeared to be clear, it was safe to administer the MMR vaccine. Not long after receiving the vaccine, however, young Xandro reportedly suffered cardiac arrest, which resulted in his rapid death. And based on the timing of events, Xandro's parents say the cause of death was most definitely the MMR vaccine.

Officials from K&G quickly denied that the MMR vaccine was responsible, but said they would conduct a thorough investigation. In the meantime, the group is callously urging parents not to "worry unnecessarily about vaccinations," according to reports. And Belgian authorities are also now reiterating their denial of a link between MMR and Xandro's death, insisting that the child died of "natural causes."

Naturally, Xandro's parents are not buying any of these politically correct excuses. They knew Xandro better than anyone else, and it was quite obvious to them that the MMR vaccine tipped the boy over the edge. The vaccine basically kicked little Xandro while he was down, so to speak, which makes any attempt to write off his death as unrelated to MMR just another blatant example of the incredible arrogance and irrationality that are hallmarks of mainstream medicine.

Vaccines killed another Belgian child late last year

A similar incident occurred late last year when Stacy Sirjacobs, a nine-week-old Belgian baby, died just one week after receiving a barrage of nine different vaccines on the same day. According to reports, young Stacy had a slight cold on the day she was vaccinated, but doctors insisted that she was well enough to receive the vaccines.

A week later, Stacy developed a staggering fever of nearly 104 degrees Fahrenheit, upon which her parents gave her Perdolan, a mild analgesic drug. Stacy's parents then called the hospital, and upon being admitted, Stacy was diagnosed with having an infection in her chest and blood that doctors insisted was "not serious," and not related to the vaccines. Stacy was then put on a drip feed and was given other medications.

Even though she had been vaccinated against gastroenteritis, young Stacy soon developed this illness as well as an irregular heartbeat, which doctors still insisted was not a big deal. Stacy continued to suffered terrible diarrhea throughout the night, and developed red spots on her body and extreme breathing difficulties. The hospital did nothing about any of this, and by 3:00 am, Stacy was pronounced dead (Baby Dies After 9 Vaccines in One Day).

Both of these cases illustrate plainly and obviously that vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are all being told. Parents must thus take extreme caution when allowing their children to be vaccinated, and do plenty of their own independent research before agreeing to go through with them.

Sources for this article include:

Parents Insist Vaccines Killed Their Sick and Fragile Toddler

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early...60327111407644


Learn more: MMR vaccine kills another baby in Belgium

You are an alarmist, yet you are casting aspersions on anti-vaxers just because their idea of what constitutes a safer way to go is not your idea.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

You are the alarmist by saying vaccines aren't safe.

I get alarmed thinking what lengths man will go in the name of scientific progress, even if untold numbers of people are hurt in the process.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Millions of vaccinated children and adults haven't been injured nor died from getting vaccinated.

It doesn't have to be in the millions if it happens to be your child who is the one that gets hurt.

[Adam]

I can't view the most recent page of this thread on my @werk computer because our proxy doesn't like the "suspicious" links in peacegirl's latest post.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Yes it has. There are mercury free flu vaccines as well. Remember?

We are making progress and that's a good thing. But we have a long way to go. There are still other toxic substances in vaccines that are of concern. Only time will tell to what extent vaccines played a part in certain developmental abnormalities and immune imbalances that have become commonplace.

Mercury In Vaccines Was Replaced With Something Even MORE Toxic
January 27, 2009 | 138,208 views

The short, eye-opening eBook linked below is titled Aluminum in Vaccines -- a Neurological Gamble, by Neil Miller, director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute. It documents the hazards associated with aluminum-laden vaccines. Children are receiving high concentrations of aluminum in their shots. This well-documented neurotoxin may be more dangerous than mercury.

Vaccines containing high concentrations of neurotoxic aluminum were added to the child immunization schedule when several vaccines containing mercury were removed. Two-month old babies now receive 1,225 mcg of aluminum from their vaccines -- 50 times higher than safety levels! Although the FDA, CDC and World Health Organization are aware of the dangers, they expect parents to play Russian roulette with their children.


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When mercury was removed from many vaccines (except the flu vaccine) years ago, it was under the false guise that finally vaccines were now safe. What health agencies did not want you to know is that there are many other toxic additives still in vaccines, and one of them is aluminum.

Aluminum has not received the widespread media attention that mercury has, therefore many people don’t realize it’s a health risk.

“Aluminum is not perceived, I believe, by the public as a dangerous metal. Therefore, we are in a much more comfortable wicket in terms of defending its presence in vaccines,” said Dr. John Clements, WHO vaccine advisor.

Notice he said that aluminum is “not perceived” by the public as a dangerous metal … he couldn’t say simply that aluminum is safe, because this would be a lie.

Why is Aluminum Added to Vaccines?

Most vaccines have at least two components, the agent that you’re seeking to elicit an immune response to, such as a measles virus, and an immune adjuvant, which enhances the immune response and is typically made from a variety of highly toxic compounds including aluminum compounds, MSG, and mercury. The purpose of immune adjuvants is to boost your immune system, or to make it react as intensely as possible for as long as possible.

Unlike a natural immune boost that would come from, say, eating healthy and exercising, artificial immune adjuvants can be dangerous in and of themselves. Says Dr. Russell Blaylock, M.D., a board-certified neurosurgeon and author:

“Studies have shown that these adjuvants, from a single vaccine, can cause immune overactivation for as long as two years. This means that the brain microglia remain active as well, continuously pouring out destructive chemicals.

In fact, one study found that a single injection of an immune activating substance could cause brain immune overactivation for over a year. This is very destructive.”

How Aluminum Can Harm Your Brain

When you or your child is injected with a vaccine, the aluminum compounds it contains accumulate not only at the site of injection but travel to your brain and accumulate there. In your brain, aluminum enters neurons and glial cells (astrocytes and microglia).

Studies have shown that aluminum can activate microglia and do so for long periods, which means that the aluminum in your vaccination is priming your microglia to overreact.

The next vaccine acts to trigger the enhanced inflammatory reaction and release of the excitotoxins, glutamate and quinolinic acid, Dr. Blaylock points out.

Meanwhile, if you come down with an infection, are exposed to more toxins, or have a stroke or head injury of any kind, this will magnify the inflammatory reaction occurring in your brain due to the vaccines. Research has shown that the more your immune system remains activated, the more likely it is you’ll suffer from a neurodegenerative disease.

The aluminum hydroxide used in many vaccines, including hepatitis A and B, and the Pentacel cocktail for diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and meningitis, has been clearly linked to symptoms associated with Parkinson"s, ALS (Lou Gehrig"s disease), and Alzheimer"s.

Scientists discovered the link after injecting mice with an anthrax vaccine developed for the first Gulf War. After 20 weeks, a fifth of the mice developed a skin allergy, and memory problems increased by 41 times compared to a placebo group. Also, inside the brains of mice, 35 percent of the cells that control movement were destroyed.

There is overwhelming evidence that chronic immune activation in your brain, as discussed by Dr. Blaylock above, is a major cause of damage in numerous degenerative brain disorders, from multiple sclerosis Alzheimer"s disease, Parkinson"s and ALS, which may explain the link between aluminum-containing vaccines and these diseases.

Late last year a team of scientists also found that vaccination involving aluminum-containing adjuvants could trigger the cascade of immunological events that are associated with autoimmune conditions, including chronic fatigue syndrome and macrophagic myofasciitis, a condition that causes profound weakness and multiple neurological syndromes, one of which closely resembles multiple sclerosis.

Even a study in Pediatrics, the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, admitted that:

“Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.”

This has led some experts to suggest that aluminum in vaccines may be linked to autism.

Just How Much Aluminum Could Your Child be Exposed To?

If you are a parent of a young child I highly recommend you read the entire eBook linked above, as it spells out very clearly just how much aluminum will be injected into your child if you follow the Center for Disease Control’s (CDC) vaccine schedule.

In short, babies who follow the recommended vaccination schedule are injected with nearly 5,000 mcg (5 mg) of aluminum by the time they are just 1.5 years old.

The FDA considers levels of aluminum up to 0.85mg to be “safe,” so you do the math on the risk involved here.

For parents, the issue of what to do about these risks can be very confusing. So please do take your time to thoroughly research the risks of vaccinations before making up your mind. Dr. Blaylock’s article, The Danger of Excessive Vaccination During Brain Development: The Case for a Link to Autism Spectrum Disorders, is an excellent starting point that I highly recommend.

If you’re looking for a more sensible, “user-friendly” vaccination schedule that may present fewer risks than the CDC’s “one-size-fits-all” schedule, Dr. Donald Miller advises the following:

1. No vaccinations until your child is 2 years old.
2. No vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury).
3. No live virus vaccines.
4. The following vaccines should be given one at a time (not as a combination vaccine), every six months, beginning at age 2:
a. Pertussis (acellular, not whole cell)
b. Diphtheria
c. Tetanus
d. Polio (the Salk vaccine, cultured in human cells)

If your pediatrician doesn’t agree, or isn’t open to discussing this issue with you, it’s high time to find a new one who will understand your concerns.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ore-toxic.aspx

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

One day you will have great respect for what he accomplished,

I believe many here already have great respect for what Lessans accomplished. I for one find it quite amusing.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Spacemonkey, you are not one to talk. You have followed me to three different forums. I don't think you are capable of leaving and you are projecting your own lack of control onto me.

Peacegirl, you really seem to have a problem comprehending how whe world works. There is a difference between wanting to leave and not being able, And not wanting to leave at all. It appears that Spacemonkey doesn't want to leave so the ability to leave is moot. You however claim that you want to leave but have demonstrated that you can't. Lack of the ability to leave and lack of the desire to leave, are not the same thing.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

And the fact that the choice to not vaccinate is not done in a vacuum, that other people can be negatively affected by that choice, is reason enough to warrant the mandates. The availability of exemptions is to try to balance personal liberty and public health risks.

After all, other parents may not find it an acceptable risk for their babies to be exposed to measles. In one parent making a choice to not vaccinate, they are putting other people at possible risk without their knowledge or consent.

If an unvaccinated child infects another child causing death or injury, where can those parents go for compensation and justice?

Added to post:

Does a measles vaccine exist?

In 1758, Francis Home conducted the first experiments to prevent measles by inserting measles-infected blood into deliberate cuts made on healthy people.(34) He claimed that his "variolation" technique caused a milder form of the disease. However, the procedure was not without danger; variolation was known to spread syphilis, tuberculosis, and several other diseases.(35)

In 1940, the U.S. military tested an experimental measles vaccine on enlisted personnel. Following severe reactions, the program was ended.(36) In 1954, a team of virologists headed by John F. Enders, an American scientist, found a way to separate the measles virus from other substances and grow it in living cells.(37) In 1960, Enders' vaccine was tested, and in 1963 both a live-virus shot and an inactivated vaccine were licensed. By the mid-1960s, several measles vaccines were available and being administered to millions of young children in the U.S. However, in 1967 the inactivated vaccine was removed from the market because it did not provide long-term immunity and was causing "atypical" measles.(38) By the early 1970s, Canada and other countries had begun nationwide measles vaccination campaigns.(39,40)
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Atypical measles syndrome: unusual hepatic, pulmonary, and immunologic aspects.

Frey HM, Krugman S.

Abstract

The atypical measles syndrome is a relatively new disease that was first recognized 15 years ago. Initially, it occurred in children who were exposed to wild measles virus several years after they were immunized with killed measles vaccine. It was characterized by a two- to three-day prodrome of high fever, cough, headache, and myalgia followed by a rash that resembled Rocky Mountain spotted fever, scarlet fever, or varicella and associated with roentgenographic evidence of pneumonia with or without pleural effusion. This report highlights three unusual manifestations of this syndrome: 1) transient hepatitis, 2) persistence of pulmonary lesions for several years, and 3) occurrence of excessively high measles hemagglutination-inhibition antibody titers. Today, this syndrome occurs predominantly in adolescents and young adults.
PMID: 7468641 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Atypical measles syndrome: unusual hepa... [Am J Med Sci. 1981 Jan-Feb] - PubMed - NCBI

How safe is the measles vaccine?

The measles vaccine has a long history of causing serious adverse reactions. The pharmaceutical company responsible for producing the measles vaccine publishes an extensive list of ailments known to have occurred following the shot. Severe afflictions affecting nearly every body system -- blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory -- have been linked to this "preventive" inoculation. These include: encephalitis, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, febrile and afebrile convulsions, seizures, ataxia, ocular palsies, anaphylaxis, angioneurotic edema, bronchial spasms, panniculitis, vasculitis, atypical measles, thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, deafness, otitis media, retinitis, optic neuritis, rash, fever, dizziness, headache, and death (Figure 3).(41)

The manufacturer also warns that the measles vaccine "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential" and "it is...not known whether [it] can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity." Thus, "it would be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus is...capable of inducing adverse fetal effects." Also, "caution should be exercised when...administered to a nursing woman."(42)


The most up-to-date information
on the measles (and MMR) vaccine
may be found in the book:
Vaccine Safety Manual

The Measles Vaccine: Adverse Reactions. Thinktwice!

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

It is difficult to test this knowledge when we are living in a free will environment because it requires a no free will environment. The only thing that can be done for those who demand empirical evidence is to create a separate society using these principles which could be used as a test pilot.

Actually such places already exist, there are isolated societies where there is no free will, everything is determined, you would just need to convince the authorities in charge to drop the blame and switch to a no-blame society where no-one would be blamed for anything they do. It shouldn't take long to see how things would turn out if these principles were applied to the whole society of the world. BTW these societies are called prisons, good luck with your experiment.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Peacegirl, you really seem to have a problem comprehending how whe world works. There is a difference between wanting to leave and not being able, And not wanting to leave at all. It appears that Spacemonkey doesn't want to leave so the ability to leave is moot. You however claim that you want to leave but have demonstrated that you can't. Lack of the ability to leave and lack of the desire to leave, are not the same thing.

When are you going to say something worthy of my attention? Btw, I can leave anytime I want to, but up to this point it gave me greater satisfaction staying here therefore my choice to stay could not have been otherwise. But that does not mean I'm forced to stay from here on, as if some external force is controlling my every move. I am leaving soon because my choice to be here will be the least favorable alternative when other things become more important to me, like marketing. Then you won't have to obsessively click that button to come to this thread, which I believe you are having a hard time stopping. I will have made the choice for you.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Do you know what even means, big shot? I don't know if you do.

Divisible by two? What does this have to do with anything?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

So do that. Get a bunch of people to accept Lessans discovery, and start a community that lives by the principles. This can be done by a group of people who agree, just look at other purposeful communities like the Amish and eco-living communes.

If it works, then you'll have some evidence, right? You'll have a wonderful society other people want to join, leading to the Golden Age through a grassroots effort.

It probably could be done but that's not something that I see in my future, as much as I would like to to prove that he was right.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

You made the statement that comparing Dragar to Lessans is laughable because of Lessans "unusual gifts", and further implying that Dragar should be embarrassed by such a comparison. You implied that Dragar is not gifted with your statement and label - the label "gifted" has no basis in reality BTW.

So why am I the disgusting one and not you?

I did not compare Dragar to anybody. You did indirectly. You are unapologetic. This is a game to you, and you are determined to win.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

When are you going to say something worthy of my attention? Btw, I can leave anytime I want to, but up to this point I have gotten greater satisfaction staying here so my choice could not have been otherwise. But I am leaving soon because my choice to be here will be the least favorable alternative when other things become more important to me, like marketing. Then you won't have to obsessively click that button to come to this thread, which I believe you are having a hard time stopping. I will have made the choice for you.

When are you going to post something worthy of anyone's attention?

It's not a matter of my not being able to leave, I'm not ready to leave yet, I find it much too amusing. It's cheap entertainment, and it kills time while the grandkids are playing or watching a video.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

It probably could be done but that's not something that I see in my future, as much as I would like to to prove that he was right.

It would not be a fair test because the only people who would volunteer for such a project would be those in favor of the discovery in the first place, so the results would be biased. A real test would be to use a representative sampling of the population.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Odd that you would think that someone else comparing Lessans to another person is problematical when Lessans compared himself to others like Socrates, Einstein, Durant. And you have compared him to Edison among others. Why do you object now? Lessans only "Gift" was in making mistakes and declaring them true, unlike these others who, in time, corrected the mistakes they made

I compared him to Edison only when it came to the difficulty of getting an audience. You are twisting things as usual. My father was a humble man. He didn't toot his own horn.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Nobody else here has expressed a problem with the discussion. To be histrionic so you can understand, temptation is your cross to bear. Will you bear it or will you fall under its great weight?

I will bear the weight of temptation when the time comes.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

I thought we were back talking about the book? Are we going back to vaccines now? Why the sudden gear switch?

Anyway, no I didn't make a positive claim. You are reading things that aren't there again.

People are posting on different subjects; I was just responding. But I refuse to get into the book again because nothing I say is going to matter. This thread has deteriorated to a child's game of who is going to win, and there really is no point. I have my feelings about vaccines, and I'm entitled to them. My father's knowledge has not been proven fallacious, so whatever is said against him will be looked at in horror one day (if this thread is archived) when he is finally vindicated of all charges.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Dragar is gifted. Your father wasn't - at least not intellectually.

Absolutely.

You're not qualified to make such a judgement.

You don't have a clue who my father was. He had a gift, and his talent for analysis allowed him --- through his voracious reading and studying --- to make such a discovery. Your posts have become more and more nasty for no reason.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

When are you going to post something worthy of anyone's attention?

It's not a matter of my not being able to leave, I'm not ready to leave yet, I find it much too amusing. It's cheap entertainment, and it kills time while the grandkids are playing or watching a video.

Why don't you play with them; it would be much more constructive.

[peacegirl]

Love this!

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[peacegirl]

It never ceases to amaze me what a little love can do!

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[LadyShea]

What is wrong with you? The statement that started this was yours. Did you forget this?

Originally Posted by peacegirl to Dragar

It's actually funny at this point. You are comparing yourself to a man who was unusually gifted. I don't know what to say other than one day you will be extremely embarrassed and apologetic by your insistence that Lessans didn't know what he was talking about.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I never implied that Dragar should be embarrassed by such a comparison. What are you thinking LadyShea? What is your problem?

I never implied such a thing. You wrote this:

Dragar is also gifted...sort of a requirement for being an astrophysicist.


I wrote this:

What does Dragar being gifted have to do with my father being gifted? Are you trying to imply that Dragar's opinion regarding my father's book is more credible than the person who made this discovery? When I say he was gifted, he truly was and for you to try to downplay his gift by comparing him to someone else is, once again, an attempt to disregard his accomplishment.

Because you use insinuation and innuendo in your debates. This is anything but free thought.

[LadyShea]

My father's knowledge has not been proven fallacious

It has. In myriad ways

so whatever is said against him will be looked at in horror one day (if this thread is archived) when he is finally vindicated of all charges.

Nobody will look at it in horror. He will not be vindicated. Your dreams of future recognition for Lessans, and of all of us being embarrassed, horrified, and apologetic, are just histrionic wishful thinking.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You don't have a clue who my father was.

Actually, you don't. You've created an elaborate fantasy world trying to paint him as some kind of savior of mankind with amazing intellectual and analytical powers which he never possessed. Why isn't it enough for you to see him for who he was - a kind and loving husband and father?.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Your posts have become more and more nasty for no reason.

There was nothing nasty about my post at all. You on the other hand are becoming increasingly nasty again as you realize you've once more run out of topics to discuss.