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Old 10-09-2004, 06:04 AM
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See, now, not many of you probably know this, but today, Australia is voting.

Unfortunately, it's looking like the fucker currently in power has a good chance of being re-elected. Well, I'm very negative about it anyway because I'm a dirty little lefty and all, but dems the breaks.

Anyway, here's the major parties and their webpages, and a general summary of who they are/what they stand for, so you can all feel that little bit more smug that you know an itty-bitty-bit more about world politics than your neighbours.

The Australian Labour Party

If you're a Yank, you can basically consider these guys similar to Democrats, as they are the current opposition in Parliment. As their name suggests, they are basically a politicisation of the Labour Union movement in the past, though have diversified into other fields as well. These days they tend to be less conservative than the Coalition, but this is not always the case, and obviously changes as voting opinion changes.

The wannabe PM is Mark Latham. Can you see why most political cartoonists draw him as Frankenstein's monster?

The Coalition
The Liberal Party of Australia

Don't ever let the name fool you. Though they used to actually be liberal, they are not anymore, and can be easily compared with the Republicans of the US. Pro-business, neo-liberal-(Raegan)economics and conservative values rule the day with these bastards.

An interesting tidbit is a little hiccup in John Howard's political career. See, Australia has always had a love/hate relationship with immigration, and a while ago when John Howard was leader of the Liberal Party (back when they were the opposition) he stated that the Liberal Party removes it support for Australia's "Multicultural" Legislation because "Australia is under threat of being swamped by Asians". Well, that didn't go down too well, the Coalition lost the election and Johnny lost the Lib's leadership. Of course, he doesn't come out publically and state that anymore, but his party's policies on refugees speak for themselves.

They form a coalition with...

The Australian National Party

These fella's are basically the country party of Australia. Unfortunately, that gives them a hell of a lot of power. Even though it's only a minority of Australia's population that live more than 10K's from the coastline, they obviously have an important place because of economic issues like farming, agricultural exports and mining (one of Australia's biggest industries).

Quite conservative, which is why they're buddies these days with the Libs.

The Australian Democrats

Their unofficial motto is "Keeping the Bastards Honest" and in a way, this is true. They have a lot of female senators, including the lovely Natasha Stott Despoja, who's a perfect example of how the media judges female politicians - especially good-looking ones. They're good, but sometimes more like a bunch of left-independants than a real united party.

The Greens

I love the Greens. I really do. But they are quite a minor party, unfortunately. Oh well, I can always dream of the day they get into power and Bob Brown becomes Australia's first gay PM. Obviously, they're very much for conservation of Australia's environment, and a particularly important part of their recent endeavours has been saving the Tasmian forests.

You may have possibly seen Senator Brown and co little while ago with Dubya visited and gave a speech. Yes, they were the hecklers. *huggles them*

Family First

I'm only mentioning these arseholes because they have cropped up in this election and are indicitive of a conservative swing and an increasing Evangelical prescence in Australia. Can't you guys keep your religious shit within your own borders?

Anyway, this bunch came out of South Australia and are based in the Assemblies of God churches there. They deny any religious affiliations though. YEAH RIGHT! Luckily they'd never get into power because they have an Aboriginal lady as their leader, and let's face it, if Bob Brown came out and said he was an atheist as well as gay, he'd still have more chance of becoming PM than an Aborigine or a female. Sad eh?

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Socialist Alliance

Nuff said.

One Nation

Racist crackpots who say the same things that lost Howard the Lib leadership all that time ago, but get crucified for it.

Please note: As stated above, this post is obviously from the biased POV of a dirty lefty. So take with a bucket of salt.
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Old 10-09-2004, 09:41 AM
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Thanks for the run-down. Hmm, at least you have "political" parties. If Australia hadn't killed off all its abos :twisted: you could have regular race-based parties. :rolleye2:

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Howard (the Liberals) won.


Can't say I am suprised. Viva sock puppets!
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Excellent overview, Adora. I admit I haven't really followed Australian politics, so all I knew was that Howard was the usual shill and that the Greens were the heckling heros.

Did you expect the Lib-Nat coalition to win as big as they did?
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Old 10-09-2004, 10:51 PM
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It gets worse. The Coalition now controls the Senate as well. :fuming:

And just in case that wasn't bad enough, the Menhennitt ruling (Australia's equivalent of Roe vs Wade but much stronger as it specifically addresses abortion) is being challenged.

The fundies can have Australia - I'm swimming to New Zealand.
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Old 10-09-2004, 11:13 PM
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Did you expect the Lib-Nat coalition to win as big as they did?
In my heart of hearts, yes. Though I was usually skeptical about other stuff, I knew this was going to happen.

So fucking depressing. Four more years of those disgusting sonofabitches running our country into the ground.

Fuck.
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Old 10-09-2004, 11:27 PM
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No-one in their wildest nightmares would have predicted Family fucking First holding the balance of power in the Senate - it doesn't get much worse than that.
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Family First acknowledges the role of parents in protecting children from harmful exposure to media. However Family First also acknowledges the difficulties even conscientious parents face in effectively carrying out this role in an age when media and internet are so pervasive. In the best interests of children, Government must take a more proactive role.

Family First will work to achieve Government commitment to establish a Mandatory Filtering Scheme at the ISP Server Level in this country. A combination of Government subsidy and industry contributions could be explored to fund set up of such a scheme. Whilst set up costs will be large at $45 million, Family First believes that this cost is justified for the protection of vulnerable children within our community.

Family First will propose that once set up, this scheme will be funded through a levy system so as to spread ongoing costs equitably amongst all end users. Family First expects this levy would be of the order of between $7 and $10 annually per end user.
And people gave the balance of power in the Upper House to these people.

It would seriously be better if the Liberals gained another senator than it will be if they are dependent on FF to pass legislation.
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Old 10-09-2004, 11:54 PM
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I their powerhold was undoubtably caused by the paedophile bust that happened just a week or so ago. Of course, non of these paedophiles accessed children through the internet, and none of the children abused in the images that were taken were accessed that way either. In fact, the only way the internet was used was through the distribution of the porn.

But yes, that's one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard. It's up there with the "image filterer" that supposedly counts the flesh-coloured pixels in a picture and bans it based on that. Of course, the downside is that it doesn't block pictures of people who aren't white, and it can't tell the difference between Jennifer Down Dorms and a photo of a dessert sandhill.

And anyone who knows anything about child psychology will tell you it's not a child's exposeur to pornographic images that harms them, but your own reaction to it. *heads the desk repeatedly*

And this really shits me off...
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Whilst set up costs will be large at $45 million, Family First believes that this cost is justified for the protection of vulnerable children within our community.
So how will banning child porn ISPs online prevent little Sally being fucked by her uncle everytime they visit his house for dinner on Thursday nights, exactly? Because fuck me dead, that's a vulnerable child. The sheer amount of stupidity that goes into people's heads about child-abuse is phenomenal. Parents of the world! It is not some stranger in a trenchcoat with a laptop you should be worried about! Get this through your head! Like all crimes, it is the people you know who you should be watching. Grrr.
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Did you expect the Lib-Nat coalition to win as big as they did?
I was flushed with the optimism of old age, so unlike Adora I didn't expect this. I didn't think Labor would win but I believed that they would cut the margin. Labor needed a net gain of 13 seats to win office and over at IIDB I predicted a net gain of 3-5 seats for Labor.

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Did you expect the Lib-Nat coalition to win as big as they did?
I was flushed with the optimism of old age, so unlike Adora I didn't expect this. I didn't think Labor would win but I believed that they would cut the margin. Labor needed a net gain of 13 seats to win office and over at IIDB I predicted a net gain of 3-5 seats for Labor.

As for the Senate - the following smilies sum it up: :eek: :glare: :fuming:
I'ts all a bit Don's Partyish for my liking and I'm wishing that I'd taken the Don's Party option last night and got totally shit-faced rather than watching it all unfold with my faculties intact.
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I'ts all a bit Don's Partyish for my liking and I'm wishing that I'd taken the Don's Party option last night and got totally shit-faced rather than watching it all unfold with my faculties intact.
I usually get plastered on election nights, it's a bit of a ritual with me. I'm surprised that my IIDB posts from last night turned out as coherent as they did. :biglaugh:

I'm paying for it this morning, though :hungover:
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It's funny though. In my electorate (Bonner, for all you stalkers out there) the local Labour dude only got in on preferences. I always thought around us was a guaranteed Labour seat.

Strange how the times change.
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She summed it up well. The absolute shock which so many people are feeling today is less about politics than it is about the destruction of a cultural fantasy. Australians know about Tampa and the detention centres. We know about Iraq and the extent to we were misled. We know what his re-election will mean to those in need. We know what it will mean to education. And we don't give a fuck as long as interest rates remain low. We've sold our cultural identity to the devil.

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She summed it up well. The absolute shock which so many people are feeling today is less about politics than it is about the destruction of a cultural fantasy. Australians know about Tampa and the detention centres. We know about Iraq and the extent to we were misled. We know what his re-election will mean to those in need. We know what it will mean to education. And we don't give a fuck as long as interest rates remain low. We've sold our cultural identity to the devil.
Well put. What really scares me though, is the Balance of Power being in the hands of Family First... :(
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The sheer amount of stupidity that goes into people's heads about child-abuse is phenomenal. Parents of the world! It is not some stranger in a trenchcoat with a laptop you should be worried about! Get this through your head! Like all crimes, it is the people you know who you should be watching. Grrr.
Agreed. The same goes for violent crimes. If you are ever involved in a violent crime, the probablity is very strong that the other person will be a family member or familiar. This is one reason why keeping a handgun in the home for "self-protection" is foolish.

So, I'm sorry to hear that Bonsai Howard got reelected.

I have friends in Melbourne and on Tasmania who will be sorely disappointed.

And... If you don't mind, Adora, I'd like to take this opportunity to point out to my fellow Americans that having multiple parties and "coalition" governments does not ncessarily improve a nation's governance. Instead, it introduces the possibility of a small splinter party, representing some minority demand, having inordinate power in the process of governance and ability to impose their petty demand upon all others....

I've seen it happen elsewhere.

Hunker down and keep working to change the regime, Adora.

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Update...

Okay, so my electorate is still actually undecided... It's definitely going to come down to preferences, and also even mail-votes. Last night on the news, it said the Labour candidate was only trailing by 200.

It'll be interesting, in a sense, if it goes to the Libs. Because the area I am in has been such a steady Labour electorate for so long, a little shake-up may not be that bad. Too bad it has to be like this, and I mean, Con Sciacca is an arsehole, but there are worse. We had one of the One Nation candidates running in our electorate. Really says something about the area, doesn't it? *gags*
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Let me be the first American to congratulate Australia on voting to become a US territory.

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