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Parks, the beloved mother of the civil rights movement, is dead, a family member confirmed late Monday.

But already it's evident that her spirit lives in hundreds of thousands of people inspired by her unwavering commitment to work for a better world - a commitment that continued even after age and failing health slowed her in the 1990s.

In death as in life, she touched the well known and the little known people of the world.

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I just watched the news on CNN.

Sister Rosa

Sister Rosa Parks was tired one day
after a hard day on her job.
When all she wanted was a well deserved rest
Not a scene from an angry mob.
A bus driver said, "Lady, you got to get up
cuz a white person wants that seat."
But Miss Rosa said, "No, not no more.
I’m gonna sit here and rest my feet."

Chorus
Thank you Miss Rosa, you are the spark,
You started our freedom movement
Thank you Sister Rosa Parks.
Thank you Miss Rosa you are the spark,
You started our freedom movement
Thank you Sister Rosa Parks.

Now, the police came without fail
And took Sister Rosa off to jail.
And 14 dollars was her fine,
Brother Martin Luther King
knew it was our time.
The people of Montgomery sit down to talk
It was decided all gods’ children should walk
Until segregation was brought to its knees
And we obtain freedom and equality, yeah

Chorus
Thank you Miss Rosa, you are the spark,
You started our freedom movement
Thank you Sister Rosa Parks.
We’ll sing it again
Thank you Miss Rosa, you are the spark,
You started our freedom movement
Thank you Sister Rosa Parks.

So we dedicate this song to thee
for being the symbol of our dignity.
Thank you Sister Rosa Parks.


Neville Brothers.



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Requiescant in pace to a true American hero. :cry:
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IIRC, she didn't think of herself as much of a hero, she said she sat down because she was tired.
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She was an African American hero who drank beero occasionally. :tmlol:
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
What's an IF?

*shrug* There are a lot of words that are trivialized though overuse, and hero is one of them. To me, though, civil disobedience is heroic. Military service might be more heroic in the sense that it incurs a greater potential risk, but it also lacks the soical stigma associated with standing up for an unpopular cause simply because it's right.
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hero - n
#1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
#2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
#3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.
#4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.


I'm pretty sure definition #1 was the first usage of the term, all uses since have trivialized it's original reverence for the gods.
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Parks faced more than a misdemeanor charge. Given the time and place, she faced the danger of physical assault or even murder. It didn't happen to her, but it did happen to other civil rights protesters.
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"IF" = "Islamofascism", a word alphamale made up to convince himself that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are connected in some way.
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Ah, Ah, whats that kush, everybody move to the back of the bus, we the type of people that make the club get crunk. Outkast's "Rosa Parks" will be played at her funeral. :tmlol:
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Parks wasn't a "hero" ... She simply stood up for her rights ...
No such rights existed. It took black robed, liberal tyrants legislating from the bench to magically discover these "rights" in the text of the 14th Amendment, which itself was never properly ratified in the first place.
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
You would say this. Strange, though, when you think about it. You'd just assume she'd be out starting arson fires rather than riding buses.

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Parks faced more than a misdemeanor charge. Given the time and place, she faced the danger of physical assault or even murder. It didn't happen to her, but it did happen to other civil rights protesters.
Nonsense. The murders were of a very few people who were actively and defiantly challenging authority. Parks just went along, got arrested, and paid her fine. And she didn't show up the next day and try the same thing. Soon after, when the Montgomery bus boycott got started, even if she continued active defiance of the authorities, nobody would have bothered her because there was national publicity. Calling her a hero is an insult to thousands of US soldiers who drive out and patrol every day knowing there's a good chance they'll be blown up.
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
You would say this. Strange, though, when you think about it. You'd just assume she'd be out starting arson fires rather than riding buses.

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No, but we can move you to the back of the class. Try sometime to distinguish between history and hype.
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Parks wasn't a "hero" ... She simply stood up for her rights ...
No such rights existed. It took black robed, liberal tyrants legislating from the bench to magically discover these "rights" in the text of the 14th Amendment, which itself was never properly ratified in the first place.
More baloney. The 14th amendment was enacted precisely to protect blacks from such acts by government. This is black and white clear text and is completely distinguishable from such late 20th century USSC amazing carnival stunts as (1) Deleting the second amendment (2) Deleting the free expression of religion clause of the first amendment (3) using the interstate commerce clause to extend federal control over anything that strikes the imagination of an 80 year old drooling lib and (4) mirabile dictu, a right to privacy, and (gasp!) watch their hands! - a right to abortion!!!
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
You would say this. Strange, though, when you think about it. You'd just assume she'd be out starting arson fires rather than riding buses.

Can we move you to the back of the bus?
No, but we can move you to the back of the class. Try sometime to distinguish between history and hype.
For non-morons, here is a useful link to the reexamination of 29 civil-rights era racial killings, which ultimately led to 27 arrests and 21 convictions. Of course this is just a smattering of the violence that was directed against blacks in the south for decades, but most people have heard the word "lynching" and are familiar with the Ku Klux Klan. Anway, please note among the cases re-examined is the firebombing of a black Baptist church that killed four black schoolchildren. I suppose this example of white arson is OK, though, as it didn't happen on Halloween, and merely killed black children rather than damaged abandoned property.

I also notice that you turned tail and ran in the Halloween thread when I showed you examples of the violence of whites, running up to massive and historic genocides. Why is that? Since everyone knows you wished to make some sooty little indictment of all blacks based on the behavior of a handful on Devil's Night in Detroit, why doesn't the same logic indict all whites for the crimes of whites?
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More baloney. The 14th amendment was enacted precisely to protect blacks from such acts by government. This is black and white clear text and is completely distinguishable from such late 20th century USSC amazing carnival stunts as (1) Deleting the second amendment (2) Deleting the free expression of religion clause of the first amendment (3) using the interstate commerce clause to extend federal control over anything that strikes the imagination of an 80 year old drooling lib and (4) mirabile dictu, a right to privacy, and (gasp!) watch their hands! - a right to abortion!!!
Excuse me, but could you please reference your claims:

(1) How so? By what decisions?

(2) Same as above.

(3) Did you have a particular 80 year old drooling lib in mind?

(4) I don't think the "right to privacy" has been determined yet? You do? By what decisions of the SCOTUS do you think this has been guaranteed? You can ignore the abortion shit, I don't need to know what you think about that.

Lastly, you forgot about the Court extending the "right of personhood" to corporations. That's a fairly important one and, IIRC, it's an interpretation of the 14th Amendment language.
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Parks wasn't a "hero" - I'm tired of that word being trivialized. She simply stood up for her rights, at the cost of being penalized for a misdemeanor. An example of heros are american soldiers who fight the IFs every day.
You would say this. Strange, though, when you think about it. You'd just assume she'd be out starting arson fires rather than riding buses.

Can we move you to the back of the bus?
No, but we can move you to the back of the class. Try sometime to distinguish between history and hype.
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For non-morons, here is a useful link to the reexamination of 29 civil-rights era racial killings, which ultimately led to 27 arrests and 21 convictions.
29???!!! Goooollleeeeee! About as many murders as in a single week in LA. My comments about the likelihood of Rosa Parks being killed stands.

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Of course this is just a smattering of the violence that was directed against blacks in the south for decades, but most people have heard the word "lynching" and are familiar with the Ku Klux Klan.
Lynching, hardly ever used against black women, had all but faded away by 1955. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...chingyear.html

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Anway, please note among the cases re-examined is the firebombing of a black Baptist church that killed four black schoolchildren. I suppose this example of white arson is OK, though, as it didn't happen on Halloween, and merely killed black children rather than damaged abandoned property.
Duh, I never said black crime justified white crime. Yer beginnin ta get a little incoherent here, hoss!

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I also notice that you turned tail and ran in the Halloween thread when I showed you examples of the violence of whites, running up to massive and historic genocides. Why is that?
I had never started a discussion of white versus black violence - that impression came from your overheated emotions on the subject. Of course, there has never been any violence, using, say, body counts as a metric, to compare with the historical violence of white leftists.

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Since everyone knows you wished to make some sooty little indictment of all blacks based on the behavior of a handful on Devil's Night in Detroit, why doesn't the same logic indict all whites for the crimes of whites?
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29???!!! Goooollleeeeee! About as many murders as in a single week in LA. My comments about the likelihood of Rosa Parks being killed stands.
I knew you'd say this. It shows how dishonest you are. These were 29 cases that had been unsolved and were re-examined, hoser. Only a mental defective (or a troll, or both) would suppose that these were the only 29 cases of attacks on blacks by whites in the South during the Civil Rights era. Are you seriously that stupid?

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Lynching, hardly ever used against black women, had all but faded away by 1955. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...chingyear.html
I won't even bother looking at your link, because who cares? To you, lynching is no big deal.

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Anway, please note among the cases re-examined is the firebombing of a black Baptist church that killed four black schoolchildren. I suppose this example of white arson is OK, though, as it didn't happen on Halloween, and merely killed black children rather than damaged abandoned property.
Duh, I never said black crime justified white crime. Yer beginnin ta get a little incoherent here, hoss!
There you go, being dishonest again. Tell us, what point were you trying to make with your little anecdote about Devil's Night arson, then?

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I also notice that you turned tail and ran in the Halloween thread when I showed you examples of the violence of whites, running up to massive and historic genocides. Why is that?
I had never started a discussion of white versus black violence - that impression came from your overheated emotions on the subject. Of course, there has never been any violence, using, say, body counts as a metric, to compare with the historical violence of white leftists.
You mean, oh, Hitler?

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29???!!! Goooollleeeeee! About as many murders as in a single week in LA. My comments about the likelihood of Rosa Parks being killed stands.
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I knew you'd say this. It shows how dishonest you are. These were 29 cases that had been unsolved and were re-examined, hoser. Only a mental defective (or a troll, or both) would suppose that these were the only 29 cases of attacks on blacks by whites in the South during the Civil Rights era. Are you seriously that stupid?
There is some danger for everyone all the time. Instead of responding to my detailed arguments of the actual danger Parks was in at that time in that situation, you try to blur the issue by making reference to statistics. Try again, einstein.

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Lynching, hardly ever used against black women, had all but faded away by 1955. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...chingyear.html
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I won't even bother looking at your link, because who cares? To you, lynching is no big deal.
What??? Are you completely losing contact with reality?

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Anway, please note among the cases re-examined is the firebombing of a black Baptist church that killed four black schoolchildren. I suppose this example of white arson is OK, though, as it didn't happen on Halloween, and merely killed black children rather than damaged abandoned property.
Duh, I never said black crime justified white crime. Yer beginnin ta get a little incoherent here, hoss!
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There you go, being dishonest again. Tell us, what point were you trying to make with your little anecdote about Devil's Night arson, then?
I opened a thread on the history of halloween, pointing to a link that covered it for centuries in different countries, and added devil's night as a sidelight because it IS part and parcel of halloween. Then the PC Brigade, their salivary glands activated like Pavlov's dogs, jumped in, focussed on that sidelight, and went berserk.

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I also notice that you turned tail and ran in the Halloween thread when I showed you examples of the violence of whites, running up to massive and historic genocides. Why is that?
I had never started a discussion of white versus black violence - that impression came from your overheated emotions on the subject. Of course, there has never been any violence, using, say, body counts as a metric, to compare with the historical violence of white leftists.
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You mean, oh, Hitler?
Hitler a leftist??? Can you go read some fundamental info on world history, and come back when you know at least a little?

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Please stop being disingenuous. I know, you'll have to look up the word, first.
Uh, you go look up cognitive dissonance.
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I opened a thread on the history of halloween, pointing to a link that covered it for centuries in different countries, and added devil's night as a sidelight because it IS part and parcel of halloween. Then the PC Brigade, their salivary glands activated like Pavlov's dogs, jumped in, focussed on that sidelight, and went berserk.
Let's review the OP in question, hm?

The meaty discourse on Halloween's fascinating history:
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It's amazing the varied history that this holiday has had.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
The little itty bitty unimportant barely noticeable sidelight the dirty liberals went crazy over, with added emphasis 'cause it's just so totally obscure you can hardly tell what point he's trying to make:
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Related is "Devil's Night", used in some parts of the country for tricks on people the night before. In Detroit, the nearest the U.S. has to a third-world city, the blacks used to run around on devil's night and commit arson - 185 buildings set afire in 1994. The authorities try to keep a lid on it - nowadays they have a 6am to 6pm curfew for minors, have a volunteer force of 40,000 adults looking for them, and a $500 fine if they're caught violating the curfew.
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Parks faced more than a misdemeanor charge. Given the time and place, she faced the danger of physical assault or even murder. It didn't happen to her, but it did happen to other civil rights protesters.
Nonsense. The murders were of a very few people who were actively and defiantly challenging authority.
Really? Emmet Till was actively and defiantly challenging authority? The black people who sat down at lunch counters were actively and defiantly challenging authority? The SNC volunteers trying to register people to vote were actively and defiantly challenging authority? Four girls in a church basement were actively and defiantly challenging authority?
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More baloney. The 14th amendment was enacted precisely to protect blacks from such acts by government. This is black and white clear text and is completely distinguishable from such late 20th century USSC amazing carnival stunts as (1) Deleting the second amendment (2) Deleting the free expression of religion clause of the first amendment
Please give me a single example of either 1 or 2.
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More baloney.
It's called sarcasm.

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The 14th amendment was enacted precisely to protect blacks from such acts by government.
You miss the point. It took nearly 100 years for laws requiring blacks to sit in the back of the bus to be struck down, and they weren't struck down by Lochner-era activists.

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... mirabile dictu, a right to privacy ...
Thank goodness the 4th and 9th Amendments haven't been "deleted." As far as I know, both the 2nd Amendment and the freedom of religion clause are still intact, although Justice Scalia restricted its protections considerably in Employment Division v. Smith.

And for the life of me I don't understand how a political conservative can view with such contempt the Court's recognition of a constitutionally protected right to individual privacy.

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... and (gasp!) watch their hands! - a right to abortion!!!
It's already been noted that you're apparently unfamiliar with Roe v. Wade. Claiming a "right to abortion" is a hyperbolic characterization of the cases. More accurately, the state's interest in the fetus increases along with its development.
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