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Besides, on the whole if it, I could really care less for my own self. I'll be long a'moulderin' in the grave with old John Brown before it gets to be really fucked up. It's all you young folks that are gonna have to fix it up before your grandkids inherit the mess we've made of it.
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Alarming signs of drought are everywhere, from the early loss of snowpack in the Sierra Nevada mountains to fields of crops lying fallow to mandates imposed by water agencies throughout California. And there’s no end in sight: Initial forecasts are that the state could see a third straight year of La Niña conditions, in which desperately needed precipitation is scarce.

What sometimes feels like permanent drought is perhaps the most visible manifestation of the ravages of climate change on California, but there are plenty of others – heat waves, more frequent and intense wildfires
Ask the Experts: Drought and Climate Change in California

9 months later

August 2023

No drought in California, all reservoirs full, dumping water, Lake Tulare, and Owens lake both returned.

All time record rainfall in Death Valley, record snow pack in the mountains

As usual, all experts predicting doom were wrong
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I bet that you did little more that look at the pretty picture.

A pause in recent coral recovery across most of the Great Barrier Reef

"Most of the recent recovery was driven by increases in the fast-growing Acropora corals, which have proliferated across many GBR reefs. Once established, these corals enter an exponential growth phase that rapidly increases percent hard coral cover, as documented in last year’s results. However, fast-growing corals are particularly susceptible to wave damage, like that generated by strong winds and tropical cyclones.
They are also highly susceptible to heat stress and are the preferred prey for crown-of-thorns starfish.
Therefore, large increases in hard coral cover can quickly be overturned by disturbances on reefs where Acropora predominate.
This year’s surveys showed that even a minor bleaching event and ongoing crown-of-thorns starfish outbreaks were enough to lead to loss of coral cover on many reefs, which offset the continued increases on other reefs and caused regionwide mean hard coral cover to remain unchanged.
The prognosis for the future disturbance regime under climate change is one of increasingly frequent and longer
lasting marine heatwaves, with the ongoing risk of crown of-thorns starfish outbreaks and tropical cyclones.
The consequences of climate change are evidenced by multiple mass coral bleaching events over the past seven years in the three GBR regions.
Simultaneously, the continuing risk of crown-of-thorns starfish outbreaks and chronic stressors such as high turbidity, increasing ocean temperatures and changing ocean chemistry can all negatively affect recovery rates, while more frequent acute disturbances mean that the intervals for recovery are becoming shorter.
Enabling coral reefs to survive these stressful conditions requires a combination of a reduction in global greenhouse emissions to stabilise temperatures, best practice management of local pressures, and the development of
interventions to help reefs adapt to and recover from the effects of climate change."

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I bet that you did little more that look at the pretty picture.
No, you won't bet. Not even on such a trivial thing.
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I bet that you did little more that look at the pretty picture.
No, you won't bet. Not even on such a trivial thing.
You disdain for comprehensive thought is hardly trivial, Bubba.
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It is hard to deny that there are significant changes taking place in the climates around the planet. While how all of this will end up in the next few decades might be arguable, there is little to be gained by continued denial that it is happening.

There have been papers being published of various studies of the phenomenon for over eighty years now. The average citizen probably only began to hear of it in the last forty.

Sea Ice is receding in both the Arctic and Antarctic regions.
Loss of Antarctic ice hurting survival of emperor penguin chicks, study says


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Ask the Experts: Drought and Climate Change in California

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all experts predicting doom were wrong
From Effie's link (that he obviously didn't read)... the chances of [a megaflood] are increasing. Something that occurs only once in 100 years normally, with climate change is expected to occur maybe once every 20 or 30 years.
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Q. But however long this current drought lasts, it will have an end date?
ER: Based on how drought is defined, yes.
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The amusing part about the climate conspiracy is that it turned out there was indeed a conspiracy by oil companies to hide climate change, but because it wasn’t their pet conspiracy theory, most conspiracy theorist act as if that didn’t happen.
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The amusing part about the climate conspiracy is that it turned out there was indeed a conspiracy by oil companies to hide climate change, but because it wasn’t their pet conspiracy theory, most conspiracy theorist act as if that didn’t happen.
I don't know. I know a lot of people who believe in that conspiracy theory. But refuse to believe in real conspiracies.
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And it will create conditions that need to be dealt with if we plan to keep living on this planet.
Complete horseshit.

Even if there is AGW, or global warming, and the earth reaches conditions like the Altithermal, even if it reaches conditions like the Eemian period, people won't go extinct from that. Even if the planet returns to a non Ice Age condition (like 2.4 million years ago), animals and people and ocean life isn't going to vanish.

That is scare tactics, it's horse manure, it's bullshit.

If you think about it, even a little, and somehow wrench yourself out of the brainwashing you have suffered, you can know this to be true.

The other real problems, human caused, now they certainly pose a risk of extinction. And not just humans

Just as a small example of "that which is never explained".

If the planet reaches condition like the Altithermal (Mid-Holocene Warm Period, or Hypsithermal or Climatic Optimum, or the Atlantic period), which was centered around 6000 years ago, where trees grew in the arctic, glaciers were gone, or very small, sea level was 3 to 4 meters higher, Lake MegaChad in what is now the Sahara was the centerpiece of the largest river system in history, African animals roamed Europe and Russia, if those conditions return, life will not end. Far from it.

We are nowhere close to those conditions yet.

But even if that happens, life will thrive, not end.

The Eemian was even warmer.

People did not go extinct then either.

This horseshit scare tactic is not about science.

That is of course true about a lot of other matters as well.

Because "beliefs", people will pick and chose what they believe.
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The amusing part about the climate conspiracy is that it turned out there was indeed a conspiracy by oil companies to hide climate change, but because it wasn’t their pet conspiracy theory, most conspiracy theorist act as if that didn’t happen.
I don't know. I know a lot of people who believe in that conspiracy theory. But refuse to believe in real conspiracies.
You mean like this?:
Rhetoric and frame analysis of ExxonMobil's climate change communications
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As the point of a conspiracy theory is to make the person feel smarter than others while also justifying their none action (besides telling others how smart they are for being in the know) it seems to be pretty common to shy away from conspiracies that are large but with obvious culprits.

A bit like giving the catholic church a pass, going up against the church would mean real actions with real consequences. Going up against the oil corporations and billionaires behind them would mean real actions with real chance of failure, which isn’t the reason they got into conspiracies in the first place.
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You have no scientific evidence to support your claim. This is the essential difference between science and people posting their opinions about something.

My statement above suffers from the exact same problem.
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And it will create conditions that need to be dealt with if we plan to keep living on this planet.
Complete horseshit.

Even if there is AGW, or global warming, and the earth reaches conditions like the Altithermal, even if it reaches conditions like the Eemian period, people won't go extinct from that. Even if the planet returns to a non Ice Age condition (like 2.4 million years ago), animals and people and ocean life isn't going to vanish.

That is scare tactics, it's horse manure, it's bullshit.

If you think about it, even a little, and somehow wrench yourself out of the brainwashing you have suffered, you can know this to be true.

The other real problems, human caused, now they certainly pose a risk of extinction. And not just humans

Just as a small example of "that which is never explained".

If the planet reaches condition like the Altithermal (Mid-Holocene Warm Period, or Hypsithermal or Climatic Optimum, or the Atlantic period), which was centered around 6000 years ago, where trees grew in the arctic, glaciers were gone, or very small, sea level was 3 to 4 meters higher, Lake MegaChad in what is now the Sahara was the centerpiece of the largest river system in history, African animals roamed Europe and Russia, if those conditions return, life will not end. Far from it.

We are nowhere close to those conditions yet.

But even if that happens, life will thrive, not end.

The Eemian was even warmer.

People did not go extinct then either.

This horseshit scare tactic is not about science.

That is of course true about a lot of other matters as well.

Because "beliefs", people will pick and chose what they believe.
I never said that Humans face extinction over their fucking up the climate. No, again, Humans are quite adaptable, kind of like cockroaches.

Though we might come to a point where we and Cockroaches are about the only species left on the planet.
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Though we might come to a point where we and Cockroaches are about the only species left on the planet.
One could just as easily write - "Though we might come to a point where we all blow up like balloons and float over the oceans."

It means nothing, it's nonsense.

It is the opposite of science.
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Though we might come to a point where we and Cockroaches are about the only species left on the planet.
One could just as easily write - "Though we might come to a point where we all blow up like balloons and float over the oceans."

It means nothing, it's nonsense.

It is the opposite of science.
Yeah, that seems to be your specialty.
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