I think we need a morons with guns thrad - Page 71

ShottleBop · #**1751** 09-23-2023, 02:51 PM

s gonna

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1752** 09-23-2023, 10:25 PM

lol. he mad.

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1753** 09-27-2023, 04:43 PM

This is a bit different.

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1754** 09-29-2023, 04:44 AM

Popeyes employee fired after being accused of selling drugs, shooting at person who came to buy while on the clock

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1755** 10-01-2023, 02:22 AM

IDIOTS WITH GUNS: This is a BARRETT M82 (M107) .50 cal BMG Anti-material sniper rifle. It is meant to be a long distance precision weapon. This one has 1) No scope to properly aim it 2) A wasted stabilizing bipod and rear monopod 3) AN EYE PRO-LESS MORON DRIVING IT LIKE AN AIR… https://t.co/CrxkTLVXDM
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) September 30, 2023

JoeP · #**1756** 10-01-2023, 09:57 AM

Moron Husk.

viscousmemories · #**1757** 10-04-2023, 03:58 PM

One of the latest bits of drama on TikTok is the rise to prominence of a "reformed" school shooter who spent the last 15-20 yrs in prison (as I understand it). There are some who seem to think that such a person should not have a platform, even if his ostensible intent is to raise awareness to the issues that lead to school shootings. I tend to agree.

seebs · #**1758** 10-04-2023, 04:31 PM

I am broadly in favor of people who fucked up and changed their minds being given a platform to talk about the changing because they're usually way more persuasive to people still in the state than anyone else would be. Lots of people will say they understand what you're going through; someone who actually did the thing and spent over a decade in prison for it, however, is credible in claiming to understand it.

Ari · #**1759** 10-04-2023, 07:56 PM

If the hubbub is about Jon Romano (I just googled it, so I’m not sure) that he injured a teacher and didn’t kill anyone should be taken into account in that at least he’s not someone who killed a whole class and now wants to talk about it.

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1760** 10-04-2023, 08:04 PM

Same energy as the drunk driver who killed people now giving talks in high schools about the danger.

LarsMac · #**1761** 10-04-2023, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by viscousmemories

One of the latest bits of drama on TikTok is the rise to prominence of a "reformed" school shooter who spent the last 15-20 yrs in prison (as I understand it). There are some who seem to think that such a person should not have a platform, even if his ostensible intent is to raise awareness to the issues that lead to school shootings. I tend to agree.

I dunno. It seems like it might have been inspired by the old "Scared Straight" program, or something, where former offenders go out and talk to kids and "Impressionable Youth" about not ending up in fucking prison.

There is a notion that if such an act were to prevent just one kid from taking that leap, it might be worthy.
But there is not any easily developed metrics to determine efficacy. the guy MIGHT be able to offer something useful. One less dead kid might be worth it.

seebs · #**1762** 10-04-2023, 10:58 PM

Actually saw a viscerally effective anti-drug PSA that was done entirely by accident, someone posted some hilariously stupid crazy shit from reddit, user asking about whether there were any good clubs that didn't allow ugly people and stuff like that, and then there was a response from someone saying "that was me, i was addicted to designer amphetamines and thought i was hot shit, when it went viral on twitter and my friends started mocking me, i got sober".

viscousmemories · #**1763** 10-05-2023, 02:23 PM

I watched one video by the guy when it came up on my fyp, but I didn't have any interest in watching more so I didn't like or follow before scrolling on past it. A couple days later I saw a teacher who was visibly shaken by his content who made the case that if he was really interested in helping he could do so behind the scenes, for example by working with educators and counselors, instead of seeking internet fame. :shrug:

seebs · #**1764** 10-05-2023, 02:37 PM

I'm always distrustful of things like that, because... "seeking internet fame" is also a good way to get content in front of people who need to see it. A single popular post that goes viral can have more actual impact than thousands of class sessions, because it reaches so many more people.

viscousmemories · #**1765** 10-05-2023, 04:05 PM

I'm not sure anyone needs to see a school shooter redemption story.

Kamilah Hauptmann · #**1766** 10-05-2023, 06:08 PM

Wedding officiant Michael Gardner accidentally shoots grandson before Nebraska ceremony - The Washington Post

And the ceremony continued.

fragment · #**1767** 10-05-2023, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by seebs

I'm always distrustful of things like that, because... "seeking internet fame" is also a good way to get content in front of people who need to see it. A single popular post that goes viral can have more actual impact than thousands of class sessions, because it reaches so many more people.

But not necessarily the intended impact. Haven't seen the material in question, but in general I've learned not to underestimate the potential for awful people to celebrate and be inspired by tales of the despicable.

Sock Puppet · #**1768** 10-06-2023, 12:07 AM

I am so stealing "tales of the despicable."

seebs · #**1769** 10-06-2023, 04:15 AM

Yeah, a huge amount of it depends on the specific framing. You can definitely tell those stories in ways that have very different impact, positive or negative.

Overall, I'm inclined to favor encouraging people to change and talk about those changes, though. It's gotten a lot of people out of neo-nazi groups, etc.

viscousmemories · #**1770** 10-06-2023, 02:08 PM

Here's some context for anyone who's interested. The first critical video the article references is the one I saw that prompted my post.

Convicted school shooter sparks backlash after rising to TikTok fame | The Independent

seebs · #**1771** 10-06-2023, 03:20 PM

This really feels like Internet Purity Culture to me. We have a lot of people who are just very firm on "no one who has ever been bad should ever be treated like they've changed", and I just don't think that's healthy. The worry that people will see him saying "actually this was bad and stupid and I hugely regret it" and think "oh, I should do it then" seems sort of unfounded. Like, it's not totally impossible for someone to do that, but it sure doesn't seem like the most likely outcome.

viscousmemories · #**1772** 10-07-2023, 12:43 PM

I think there's a big difference between letting someone who has paid their dues live the rest of their life unhindered and supporting their effort to profit (financially or socially) from their notoriety, especially given the desire for fame seems to be a motivating factor in a lot of school shootings. Whether he has genuinely changed seems kind of irrelevant.

seebs · #**1773** 10-08-2023, 06:05 PM

Is the goal here to protect people or to punish the guilty?

Thought experiment: Imagine that he was sentenced to this. Like, as a component of his punishment for the crime, he was required to make videos about why school shooting is bad, and we made a point of showing them to people because we wanted to turn kids away from school shooting.

Does that seem like it'd be better?

If so, then what you're focusing on is whether or not he's being punished. Whether we're imposing things on him, or taking things away from him. Whether he's being allowed things.

But retributive "justice" isn't.

It doesn't matter whether he's "profiting" or not; it matters whether the outcome of the thing is more in the direction of "people are likely to do this more" or "people are likely to do this less", and if you want to argue that the outcome of people doing messaging about how wrong they were and how much they regret what they did is that other people would do that thing more, I'd like to see you show your work on that with concrete numbers and evidence, not just a vague speculation.

Because what I'm hearing here is that if I see someone talking about how miserable a thing made them and how much they regret it, the message I'm most likely to take is that since I'm seeing them talking about this, clearly doing the thing is a way to become famous for how miserable you are and how much you wish you hadn't done it, and obviously I should do this in order to also be famous for how much I wish I hadn't done that.

And that seems really unlikely to me.

On the other hand, a straightforward "we object to bad people being allowed to do things" policy is pretty common and fairly understandable.

But the overall outcome here is just... He's doing a thing that it would have made sense for people to specifically try to demand of him to do, and doing it voluntarily, this seems honestly fine. I don't think it's a problem that he in some way "benefits" from doing the good thing, because the content of the good thing pretty clearly argues against other people copying it in order to enjoy the "benefit" of being miserable for decades and then talking about how much they hated it.

viscousmemories · #**1774** 10-09-2023, 01:24 AM

I started to reply in depth but I don't feel strongly enough to follow through.

I will note that you use quotes around 'profit' and 'benefits' as if having a popular social media platform doesn't provide substantial social and economic rewards, but it does.

As to the thought experiment... if he were forced to do it and all proceeds went to victims funds then yeah, I think that would be better.

seebs · #**1775** 10-09-2023, 06:09 PM

Even if the rewards are meaningful and significant...

Think about the risk/reward analysis and time frame people have to be thinking on to do a school shooting.

So imagine you pitch them on a course of action, and your pitch is that everything sucks even worse than it does now for 15-20 years, but after that you get some kind of minor popularity on social media but a lot of people still hate you and you think they're right to do so and basically agree with them.

I ... don't actually think that anyone who is trying to think about outcomes 20 years out is really at issue here.

I don't know what if anything he does with proceeds. If he's doing full-time activism, and it's earning him enough money that he can afford to continue doing it, I'm pretty fine with that. If he's getting rich... yeah that would seem maybe at all concerning? But you can be pretty famous as an influencer or whatever and still not be anywhere near rich, or even making a living.