Yet Another Reason For Sovereignty

[Miss Shelby]

How. Fucking. Exhausting.
This is an observation and not a criticism.
I sense spectrum.

[disobey]

Originally Posted by LarsMac

The problem in today's world is that one man's good, seems to be another man's Evil.

Most of what you espouse, I abhor.

It's as simple as that.

You've had plenty of opportunity in many of my threads to tell me why. You never do. The problem is that with the various cults you follow, whatever you think the solution to any problem is, (if you even acknowledge that there is a problem at all) chances are the solution is the exact opposite of what you think it is. Face it. You're brainwashed. It's as simple as that. Here is a song to help explain why.

https://youtu.be/w-sREpqDiUo

[disobey]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

How. Fucking. Exhausting.
This is an observation and not a criticism.
I sense spectrum.

What and who do you find exhausting. TELL ME! I will "spectrum" you through it. For that, I will start with this. The solution to any problem is simple as hell. A god damned child could figure it out! It is those who don't want change who try to complicate the matter. And they control everything you think.

[LarsMac]

Originally Posted by disobey

You've had plenty of opportunity in many of my threads to tell me why. You never do. The problem is that with the various cults you follow, whatever you think the solution to any problem is, (if you even acknowledge that there is a problem at all) chances are the solution is the exact opposite of what you think it is. Face it. You're brainwashed. It's as simple as that...

The absurdity of you quoting Zappa has been duly noted.

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Originally Posted by disobey

The solution to any problem is simple as hell.

Stop complaining then.

[seebs]

I think people despise what you endorse because you're a racist fuckhead and we have all sorta had enough of that. Like, this is not a complicated thing. You believe ludicrous things about race, such as that your race is better than another race in some meaningful way, and that members of at least one other race are broadly awful. But actually... no? That just isn't actually a thing.

What makes this exhausting is that you keep demanding that people tell you why, but you don't actually listen or engage when people tell you things, because you don't know how. All you know how to do is repeat your idiotic assertions and demand that people "debate" you. But since you can't debate, there's nothing to do but try to tell you something, and have you insist that it doesn't count because you don't feel like it.

I don't think you understand how bad you are at being persuasive. You're actually making your position look worse by being this bad at advocating for it. Like, I've met people who were sorta racist assholes, but they could actually advance a coherent argument for their position. The argument might not be compelling, because for instance it was based on just completely false factual claims, but it was actually basically shaped like an argument.

You just spew random emotive language and demand that people engage with you, but you are utterly unengaging. Why on earth would I listen to your babbling rants about this when I could, at basically any time I want, simply turn on the television and have a good shot at seeing ads for laundry detergent? I could literally be washing dishes right now. If you want people to engage with you, you have to offer an experience more rewarding to them than sticking their genitals in kitchen appliances.

[LarsMac]

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."

"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds."

"What will you do if the people you knew
Were the plastic that melted
And the chromium too?"

Frank Zappa

[seebs]

i note, that's actually bullshit, i've seen people's minds changed a fair number of times. it's hard, but it happens!

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

A guy I know used to believe that public funded healthcare was socialism and therefore bad. Now he's got stage four cancer and is still alive thanks to the VA!

His position has entirely changed and he hopes to be able to shit out a few blue as possible votes in his state before he's off to the great beyond.

[LarsMac]

Originally Posted by seebs

i note, that's actually bullshit, i've seen people's minds changed a fair number of times. it's hard, but it happens!

"it's hard, but it happens!"

Um, yeah. What He said.

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I would venture that reality is pretty good at changing your mind.

Rhetoric, bullshit, political theatre and religion, not so much.

[seebs]

Daryl Davis is probably the best example I've seen, dude who makes friends with KKK members. He has a closet full of robes sent to him by his friends, who are now ex-KKK.

Not everyone can be persuaded in practice, but a lot of the people that people dismiss the possibility of persuading are in fact pretty persuadable.

There was one guy who got involved with Aryan Nation bullshit in prison, came out just viciously hating Jews, but the only job he could find he was working for a Jewish guy. So he was expecting to get screwed on pay somehow, and his first paycheck came around, and the guy said "hey can i talk to you about your check", and he thought "oh, here it comes", and the guy said "yeah i noticed you work really hard so i threw in a bonus there, keep up the good work".

And his entire worldview fell apart because this was just completely impossible if his beliefs about the world were true, and he just thought "wait, what if... that's just all bullshit".

Reason I'm not spending time trying to educate disobey is that the central component of all the stories of people who get out of this shit is that they have courage, and engage with things they see and experience.

[LarsMac]

I would be the last person to suggest that nobody ever changes their mind.

Though, there are many who would die first.

[disobey]

Originally Posted by LarsMac

The absurdity of you quoting Zappa has been duly noted.

I would ask you what is absurd about my posting a song by Zappa. But I'm afraid you would tell me. Then I would have more stupidity to deal with.

[disobey]

Originally Posted by -FX-

Stop complaining then.

Stop complaining about people not doing what is simple? Why would I do that.

[disobey]

Originally Posted by seebs

I think people despise what you endorse because you're a racist fuckhead and we have all sorta had enough of that. Like, this is not a complicated thing. You believe ludicrous things about race, such as that your race is better than another race in some meaningful way, and that members of at least one other race are broadly awful. But actually... no? That just isn't actually a thing.

What makes this exhausting is that you keep demanding that people tell you why, but you don't actually listen or engage when people tell you things, because you don't know how. All you know how to do is repeat your idiotic assertions and demand that people "debate" you. But since you can't debate, there's nothing to do but try to tell you something, and have you insist that it doesn't count because you don't feel like it.

I don't think you understand how bad you are at being persuasive. You're actually making your position look worse by being this bad at advocating for it. Like, I've met people who were sorta racist assholes, but they could actually advance a coherent argument for their position. The argument might not be compelling, because for instance it was based on just completely false factual claims, but it was actually basically shaped like an argument.

You just spew random emotive language and demand that people engage with you, but you are utterly unengaging. Why on earth would I listen to your babbling rants about this when I could, at basically any time I want, simply turn on the television and have a good shot at seeing ads for laundry detergent? I could literally be washing dishes right now. If you want people to engage with you, you have to offer an experience more rewarding to them than sticking their genitals in kitchen appliances.

Stop pretending that you have the ability to think. Go haunt somebody elses thread.

[seebs]

Hmm. I have been presented with an order. Should I obey it like an unthinking sheeple, or should I stand proud and disobey it? Decisions, decisions.

This is actually a good example of a thing that I used to be utterly mystified by, which is the way that there's a specific category of person who (1) is really bad at argumentation (2) constantly insults other people's ability to make arguments. I used to wonder what caused this, but then I eventually got it:

If you don't know how arguments work, all you know is that you're disagreeing with someone, and then they say something like "this isn't even an argument" or "you just don't know how to think", and people act like they won.

And if you don't have any way to understand what those statements mean, all you know is that they happened and then people acted like the person who said them won, then the obvious thing for you to do is say things like that sometimes in the hopes that people will act like you won.

But it doesn't work, because there's an actual reason for which people say things like that, even though you don't have the cognitive framework to allow you to perceive what they're talking about.

BTW, this isn't your thread. It's Sovereign's thread, because of the title. Sure, he's not here anymore and has nothing to do with it, but I think we can all agree that he had a lot more to contribute. Man was an utter dumbass, but he did actually at all ever present arguments, so he was more entitled to threads than you are.

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Originally Posted by disobey

Stop complaining about people not doing what is simple? Why would I do that.

[Sock Puppet]

[seebs]

Yeah, Zappa was not super big on racist dumbfucks. Dude if you're gonna quote Zappa at least fucking listen to him.

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[ShottleBop]

s gonna

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[disobey]

Originally Posted by -FX-

Interesting posts. If you have something to say, just come out and say it. By the way, do you think seebs sucks ass as much as I do?