Corporate dollars for liberals.

[alphamale]

Here's an example, for the many uninformed, who can't get their 1 watt brains around the idea that corporations have become collectively the new pillar of the liberal establishment. The quiet redirection of corporate money to the foundations, which serve as a bag man for liberal causes, has been going on a long time. It's past time that legislation is created to prevent such contributions to foundations without the written permission of stockholders.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10881

(Oh wait a minute, I forgot. Watch it come: "Duuuhhh - dat's not a liberal source! DUH!)

[Jesus Christ]

That article shows that a one watt brain is operating at a much higher level than the authors.

They make these claims about corporations funding the attack on Alito, and they back it up with...

They contribute to specific members and earmark their money for specific uses.

“Support for these and other grantees is never for the purpose of engaging in political activity of any kind.”

They literally lie to your face when they make that claim. If we're one-watt bulbs for not believing that corporations are really ultra-left liberal establishments (which is utter bullshit, look at the way they go after unions and that alone should tell you that whoever wrote this article is fundamentally dishonest to begin with), what does that make you for failing to see blatant lies in the article? They even give the proof.

What's more, these organizations are all primarily charities, which means that they use their money to help the disadvantaged directly. Corporations give money to charities because, not only is it a tax write off, it looks good for doing so.

Quit lying, quit using sources that lie, and at least attempt to appear to be intellectually honest.

[erimir]

Corporations are for the most part, socially liberal and economically conservative.

However, since they are MORE concerned with the bottom line than social causes (for the most part), they tend to support conservative candidates more than liberal ones. This also means that they oppose unions, because unions don't fit into their bottomline.

I have no problem with admitting that corporations tend to be socially liberal - except for when they're being threatened by fundy Christians. They want to be as inclusive as possible to get the most customers possible. Corporations don't have much of an agenda other than making money - certain corporations might be headed by people who are more liberal or more conservative, but on the whole, that's how corporations work.

But that's hardly a reason to call them the lapdogs of the liberals.

No, it's much the other way around. Republicans are lapdogs of the corporations when it comes to the corporate bottom line.

[alphamale]

Corporations don't have much of an agenda other than making money

This is true, but in doing so, they've figured the best way is to kiss the ass of the liberal establishment which continuously threatens them, with negative portrayals in the liberal media establishment, with endless lawsuits and the threat of lawsuits, with the threat of boycotts, with threats through and by the independent regulatory agencies - on and on. They are kind of like a large-scale version of the grocery stores that paid protection money to the mafia in the 1930s.

To buy these people off, they

- institute wholesale anti-white discrimination
- have begun to institute an anti-religious tone in the workplace and with their "holiday" advertising, and other aspects of their advertising
- give huge amounts to liberal/left foundations
- submit to Jesse Jackson shakedowns
- submit to consent decrees that harm white employees to be rid of discrimination lawsuits
- support liberal causes directly to counter negative liberal media propaganda
- oppose curbs to illegal immigration, like the dems but for different reasons

They've done these things, because there's no such thing as a pack of CONSERVATIVE lawyers threatening them, or conservatives threatening boycotts, etc.

In fact, no matter what the motivation, they've become liberal institutions, no ifs.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by alphamale

They've done these things, because there's no such thing as a pack of CONSERVATIVE lawyers threatening them, or conservatives threatening boycotts, etc.

False.

Conservative Christian groups have threatened to boycott many corporations. For example, Ford who recently pulled all their advertising from gay media due to a boycott from a Christian group.

Dumbass.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

They've done these things, because there's no such thing as a pack of CONSERVATIVE lawyers threatening them, or conservatives threatening boycotts, etc.

Shows how little you know.

Ford Motors just reversed itself yesterday on its anti-gay policy that the AFA (American Family Association - union of Christian bigots) tried to force on them. The threat? Do it, or we'll boycott. The fundibots have tried the same trick with Disney, American Airlines, etc.

And this month Falwell announced an army of lawyers that he was going to launch against K-Mart, Sears, etc. -- any retailer that said "Happy Holidays" instead of mentioning Christmas. And don't forget Pat Robertson's little group of lawyers, the ACLJ, headed by Jay Sekulow - looking for any reason to sue a company if they feel that christians are put at the head of the line.

And on the secular side, there are packs of conservative lawyers threatening companies - lawyers who work for, oh, Phillip Morris, the Pacific Legal Foundation, Exxon-Mobil, etc.

So my dear little alpha-tart: that's what happens when you only read Soldier of Fortune Magazine and the Drudge Report: there's a whole reality out there that just frickin' blows right by you without you ever catching a clue.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Sauron

Shows how little you know.

Ford Motors just reversed itself yesterday on its anti-gay policy that the AFA (American Family Association - union of Christian bigots) tried to force on them. The threat? Do it, or we'll boycott. The fundibots have tried the same trick with Disney, American Airlines, etc.

And this month Falwell announced an army of lawyers that he was going to launch against K-Mart, Sears, etc. -- any retailer that said "Happy Holidays" instead of mentioning Christmas. And don't forget Pat Robertson's little group of lawyers, the ACLJ, headed by Jay Sekulow - looking for any reason to sue a company if they feel that christians are put at the head of the line.

And on the secular side, there are packs of conservative lawyers threatening companies - lawyers who work for, oh, Phillip Morris, the Pacific Legal Foundation, Exxon-Mobil, etc.

So my dear little alpha-tart: that's what happens when you only read Soldier of Fortune Magazine and the Drudge Report: there's a whole reality out there that just frickin' blows right by you without you ever catching a clue.

No links, complete fiction.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by erimir

False.

Conservative Christian groups have threatened to boycott many corporations. For example, Ford who recently pulled all their advertising from gay media due to a boycott from a Christian group.

Dumbass.

Documentation?

[erimir]

Unlike you, I can easily provide documentation from a reliable source:
Reuters story on the Ford boycott

Now, will you admit you were wrong?

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

No links, complete fiction.

Uh, wrong.

The story:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/12/14...boycott.ap.ap/

Ford's retraction and about-face:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/Ford...12-14-2005.pdf

American Freakshow Association's reaction - gasp! - boycott Ford!
http://media.afa.net/newdesign/Relea...il.asp?id=3336

See how easy it is to debunk alphatroll? I'm even thinking about making this service available to everyone. Whaddya think?

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[alphamale]

Originally Posted by erimir

Unlike you, I can easily provide documentation from a reliable source:
Reuters story on the Ford boycott

Now, will you admit you were wrong?

Yes, this is relatively new and I wasn't aware of it. FINALLY, someone is fighting back against PC liberals and lawyers - although what efforts are being made are miniscule compared to the ACLU and almost all of the rest of the liberal legal establishment. I say more power to them, although to make a C_____ analogy, it's David against Goliath.

[Plant Woman]

Originally Posted by erimir

False.

Conservative Christian groups have threatened to boycott many corporations. For example, Ford who recently pulled all their advertising from gay media due to a boycott from a Christian group.

Dumbass.

Ford has rethought that and are not pulling their advertising. I was one of many that wrote letters to Ford and it seems to have worked! I love it when that happens.

Unlike our little extremist poster boy, alphabrat, who does nothing but jump up and down, hurls insults and whines, but does nothing tangible, not even vote.

[alphamale]

Ford has rethought that and are not pulling their advertising. I was one of many that wrote letters to Ford and it seems to have worked! I love it when that happens.

This shows that conservatives have to get serious about bringing down these fucks. There has to be a real well-organized grass roots campaign, with a carefully selected target to destroy. The campaign should have the following characteristics:

- Almost all the target company's revenue is from selling consumer goods.
- Helpful if it is already in financial trouble, weak sales, etc.
- Pickets established outside all stores.
- Assistance provided for any persons who are inconvenienced by the boycott.
- Pickets at residences of company officers.
- Preparations made for the long hall.
- Possible secondary boycotts at supplier companies.

Benjamin Franklin said: "If you would convince, speak not of right, but of interest."

[erimir]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Yes, this is relatively new and I wasn't aware of it.

Even though the article mentions other prominent cases of similar boycotts made against Microsoft and Disney for being gay-friendly?

FINALLY, someone is fighting back against PC liberals and lawyers - although what efforts are being made are miniscule compared to the ACLU and almost all of the rest of the liberal legal establishment.

The ACLU doesn't do shit with where businesses advertise. Cuz that's not a civil liberty issue.

And what are they fighting against? Ford having effective marketing.

So you support the cause of making businesses not advertise to gays? Why? You're not a Christian - you have no reason to be anti-gay. You also seem to like business - advertising to gays is just good business because more advertising means more sales. And in a market like the gay market where not that many people are advertising, doing so WILL get noticed.

They're not fighting against "PC discrimination" - they're fighting FOR discrimination.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by erimir

Even though the article mentions other prominent cases of similar boycotts made against Microsoft and Disney for being gay-friendly?

The ACLU doesn't do shit with where businesses advertise. Cuz that's not a civil liberty issue.

And what are they fighting against? Ford having effective marketing.

So you support the cause of making businesses not advertise to gays? Why? You're not a Christian - you have no reason to be anti-gay. You also seem to like business - advertising to gays is just good business because more advertising means more sales. And in a market like the gay market where not that many people are advertising, doing so WILL get noticed.

They're not fighting against "PC discrimination" - they're fighting FOR discrimination.

Fine by me - homosexuals have roused endless hatred against christians. The money poured into foundations has gone to all kinds of organizations that hate this country and every traditional thing in it. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Yes, this is relatively new and I wasn't aware of it.

Uh no - not new.
But yes - you're unaware.

FINALLY, someone is fighting back against PC liberals and lawyers

You really MUST start taking a newspaper subscription or something.

1. Actually, the fundies and the rednecks lost; Ford is reversing its agreement with the American Freakshow Association;

2. Ford is actually *increasing* its advertising in gay magazines, as well as giving support for gay causes;

3. Lawyers? What lawyers? Dear little dirty diaper alpha, absolutely no lawyers were involved here; just lots of phone calls and bad press. So don't make up phony details, alphatroll: you always get caught.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

This shows that conservatives have to get serious about bringing down these fucks.

They tried that - failed already.

There has to be a real well-organized grass roots campaign,

Yes, that's how the progressive forces defeated Ford and its little goose-stepping fundie friends at AFA.

Benjamin Franklin said: "If you would convince, speak not of right, but of interest."

Franklin also said that "he would would sacrifice a little liberty to get a little security, deserves neither liberty nor security" -- yet for some reason, you don't quote Franklin on THAT topic, now do ya poptart?

[alphamale]

When the ordinary non-liberal wacko people in this country really come together, a company like ford will be crushed.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

When the ordinary non-liberal wacko people in this country really come together, a company like ford will be crushed.

Well, never let it be said that the Dark Lord isn't willing to be fair. I can appreciate the predicament of the "ordinary non-liberal" people in the USA, people like our red blooded friend alphatroll. So I'll tell ya what: let me help narrow down your targets for you. Here is the American Family Association's (Fundie Bigots, Inc.) list of the leading "pro-gay" companies in the USA. After you get through with these, I got some more for ya.

Go get 'em, tough guy!

http://www.family.org/cforum/images/...igBusiness.pdf

JP Morgan Chase
17
Wells Fargo, Eastman Kodak, IBM, Levi Strauss, Citigroup (includes SmithBarney, Primerica, and Banamex)
15
Ford (includes Volvo and Hertz), Nike
14
Capital One, Charles Schwab, AT&T, Prudential, Cisco Systems, Fannie Mae, Molson Coors
13
Bank of America, Goldman Sachs Group, Chubb, Wyndham International, Replacements, Ltd, Microsoft, Xerox, Kraft Foods (Alltria Group), and Cendant (Cendant is the parent company of Avis, Budget, Days Inn, Knights Inn, Fairfield, Howard Johnson, Ramada, Super 8, Travelodge, Wingate Inns, Wyndham Worldwide, Century 21, Coldwell Banker, Cheap Tickets, Galileo International and other holdings)
12
Credit Suisse First Boston, Lehman Brothers, Walt Disney, Allstate, American Airlines, Ameriprise Financial/American Express, SC Johnson and Son, Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems, Merck & Co, Nationwide Mutual Insurance, Deloitte & Touche
11
Wachovia, Viacom, Intel, Lucent Technologies, Agilent Technologies, Shell, PG&E, Chevron, Motorola, Dow Chemical, Johnson & Johnson, Kaiser Permanente, Miller Brewing, CMP Media, Mitchell Gold & Bob Williams
10
Morgan Stanley, HSBC, Mellon Financial, Merrill Lynch, Northern Trust, Starbucks, Federated Department Stores (includes Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s, May Department Stores, Lord & Taylor, Marshall Field’s), Global Hyatt, General Mills, GlaxoSmithKline, Aetna, MetLife, Amgen, Inc., Principal, Time-Warner, The Gap, Dell, Apple, Bausch & Lomb, Nordstrom, Pepsi (includes Quaker Oats and Frito Lay), and Cingular Wireless (owned by AT&T/SBC Communications—60%; and BellSouth—40%)
9
Anheuser-Busch (includes Sea World, Discovery Cove, and Busch Gardens), Avaya, Colgate-Palmolive, Target Stores, U.S. Airways, General Motors, Toyota, Ben & Jerry’s (Unilever), Cummins, Genentech, Pricewaterhouse Coopers International Ltd., Dominion Resources, Lexmark International, KPMG, The Olivia Companies, StarcomMediaVest Group, Ernst & Young, Morrison & Foerster, Alston & Bird.
8
Deutsche Bank, US Bancorp, John Hancock Financial, Verizon, Borders Group, Best Buy, Staples, Gateway Inc., Oracle Corporation, Reebok Intl, BP America/BP Amoco, Brinker Intl Inc. (Chili’s Restaurant, On The Border), CIGNA, Vision Service Plan, Washington Mutual, Allianz Life Insurance Co of NA, Schering-Plough Corp., GlaxoSmithKline, Subaru of America Inc., Daimler Chrysler, Global Hyatt, Hotels.com, Worldspan Technologies, Kimberly-Clark, Campbell Soup, Earthlink Inc., Guidant Corporation, Honeywell Intl Inc., Corning, Booz Allen Hamilton Inc., Freescale Semiconductor, Ryder System Trucks, Heller, Ehrman, White & McAuliffe, Starwood Hotels & Resorts (Sheraton, Four Points, St. Regis, Westin) and Carlson Companies (includes TGI Friday’s, Radisson, Regent International, Park Plaza, Park Inn, Country Inn & Suites).
7
Sun Trust Banks, Harris Bank, UBS AG, Wainright Bank & Trust, Hartford Financial Services, Lincoln National, United Parcel Service, Sears Holding Companies (includes K-Mart), Walgreen’s, Sprint-Nextel, Dole Food, Procter & Gamble, McGraw-Hill Companies, Adobe Systems, Raytheon, Comcast, Continental Airlines, Kimpton Hotel & Restaurant, MGM Mirage, ChoicePoint, New York Times, Gannett Co, Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., Air Products & Chemicals, Bright Horizons Family Solutions Inc (workplace child care), Quest Diagnostics (medial lab tests), Bristol-Myers-Squibb, Novartis Pharmaceutical, Xcel Energy, KeySpan, Medtronic, Inc., Seagate Technology, NCR, Owens Corning (Home exterior products), Northrop Grumman Corp., DuPont, Pitney Bowes, Limited Brands (includes Bath & Body
Works, Victoria’s Secret, White Barn Candle Co., The Limited, Express, and Henri Bendel).
6
Countrywide Financial, Providian Financial Group, Compass Group North America, Estee Lauder Companies, Qwest Communications Intl, Sara Lee Corporation, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Office Depot, Delta Airlines, Mohawk Industries, McDonald’s, Applebee’s Intl, Inc., Marriott International, Hilton Hotels, BellSouth, Hewitt Associates, The Boeing Co., McKinsey & Co., International Paper Co., Cargill, Aventis Pharmaceuticals, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, Reynolds American, Sempra Energy, Siemens Energy & Automation, Union Pacific, SLM (Sallie Mae), Aramark Corp., Texas Instruments, Inc., Affiliated Computer Services, Hoffmann-La Roche Inc.,
5
Bank of New York, E* Trade, Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden, Red Lobster), Master Card, Home Depot, Liz Claiborne, Edison International (Southern California Edison), Cox Communications, California State Automobile Association, Intuit, Keane Inc., Jenner & Block, Silicon Graphics, Waste Management, Inc., WellPoint (Blue Cross/Blue Shield), Northeast Utilities System, CH2M Hill Companies, Ltd., Volkswagon of America.
4
ABN AMRO Holding NV (includes La Salle Bank and Standard Federal Bank), Hannaford Brothers, Hasbro Inc., Northwest Airlines, Polaroid Corporation, Scholastic Corporation, SAFECO, QUALLCOMM, Visteon Corporation (auto parts), Sodexho Inc., Unisys, Pacific Corp.
3
Mutual of Omaha, 3M Company.

[Plant Woman]

LOL, fortunately there aren't too many ordinary non-liberal WACKO people for Ford to be concerned about and they will continue to do what is right.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Fine by me - homosexuals have roused endless hatred against christians. The money poured into foundations has gone to all kinds of organizations that hate this country and every traditional thing in it. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

What hatred? I don't know of any such hatred aroused by homosexuals. That shoe on the other foot stuff is laughable - gays have only just recently been able to avoid much discrimination. Gays have no shortage of people discriminating against them.

Post evidence of a broad trend of gays inciting hatred against Christians or STFU and retract. Pointing out one or two gays or gay groups that do is not evidence. You have to have STATISTICS showing that a large portion of gays participate in such activities. You won't find them, because you're making shit up. Additionally, large numbers of gay people ARE Christian, so why they would be inciting hatred against Christians, I don't know.

I see FAR more hatred against homosexuals aroused by Christians. But even if you weren't just making shit up, the answer to discrimination is more discrimination? That sounds like a fine way to start race riots and things like that. I'm glad most politicians aren't so idiotic as that.

Not to mention that in this case Ford and gays were doing anything against Christians. They might want to you know, fight in the relevant areas. The way to fight, say, Affirmative Action isn't to get people to boycott rap music. That's just idiotic.

But whatever. Troll.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by erimir

What hatred? I don't know of any such hatred aroused by homosexuals.

Apparenty alphatroll removed this particular comment from his post. I can't find it anymore.

Lucky for poor little alpha-tart.

[alphamale]

The way to fight, say, Affirmative Action isn't to get people to boycott rap music. That's just idiotic.

Whaaaaaaaattttttttt??????????

[erimir]

I know your reading comprehension is low, but let me spell it out for you:

The alleged hatred (that you haven't supported the existence of) that gays have created against Christians has jackshit to do with car companies. If Christians want to fight back, they should be fighting something where the gays are creating anti-Christian hatred, instead of something irrelevant.

Of course, maybe it makes sense to you - after all I don't know what hatred you're talking about, so maybe in your idiotic way of thinking, Ford advertising in gay media rouses hatred for Christians.

[alphamale]

Whaaaaaaaattttttttttt???????????????