Seebs, Economist, both endorse Kerry.

[Goliath]

Fine, you asked for it.

Originally Posted by seebs

Why did you assume this was specific to you?

Guess the hell what?! I didn't. Read, god damn it!

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Okay, seebs, since you seem hellbent on keeping me from posting a comment on your blog, I'll say it here, where you can't censor me:

Okay, re-reading this, I see ambiguity in it. I interpreted it as being "specific to Goliath" because you said "censor me" rather than "censor opinions", and "keeping me from..." instead of "keeping people from..."

In other words, I interpreted it as specific because it seemed to be phrased that way. I guess I misunderstood it; nevermind!

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by seebs

Okay, re-reading this, I see ambiguity in it. I interpreted it as being "specific to Goliath" because you said "censor me" rather than "censor opinions", and "keeping me from..." instead of "keeping people from..."

In other words, I interpreted it as specific because it seemed to be phrased that way. I guess I misunderstood it; nevermind!

Nope, you still don't get it. But since you retract your accusation, this isn't worth going into further.

[seebs]

Hmm.

Well, okay, I don't get it... But since you and I have a long history of miscommunications, maybe it would be useful for you to explain it to me, so I better understand the way you communicate in general. There are often subtleties to your use of language that I don't catch.

[Goliath]

If you'll go back and read what I actually said, I said that you seem to be hellbent on keeping me from posting a comment on your blog.

There's nothing subtle about my use of words above. In fact, subtlety is something that I'm downright horrible at.

[seebs]

Okay.

I guess my question, then, is why, to other people, it seemed as though there was a bug in the software, and to you, it seemed like an attempt to keep you from posting.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by seebs

I guess my question, then, is why, to other people, it seemed as though there was a bug in the software, and to you, it seemed like an attempt to keep you from posting.

I don't know. How should I know why it seemed that way to other people? I'm not a mind reader.

[xorbie]

Goliath:

Have you considered that perhaps you should make a little bit of effort at communicating with others? You said, and I quote:

Okay, seebs, since you seem hellbent on keeping me from posting a comment on your blog, I'll say it here, where you can't censor me:

Just because you said "seem" doesn't make this less accusatory. If I said, "Goliath seems to be a fucking moron," wouldn't that bother you?

Moreover, I think seebs is wondering why you seemed to jump to the conclusion that he was putting in such effort just to censor you, whereas everyone else seemed to accept the much more reasonable conclusion that there was a software bug of some sorts.

And you can complain that you aren't a mind reader all you like, but it doesn't excuse your lack of attempt to understand why everyone has problems communicating with you. We listen Goliath, we really do. But you don't make it easier on us by coming across as rather accusatory, and always jumping to the worst conclusions - that we all hate you and are out to get you.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Nope, you still don't get it. But since you retract your accusation, this isn't worth going into further.

I dont see the ambiguity or the accusation.

maybe you, goliath, should be more careful about your phrasing. Instead of backpedalling like mad and pretending that synonyms arent synonyms.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Goliath

In fact, subtlety is something that I'm downright horrible at.

maybe it's your refusal to understand and/or use connotations.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by xorbie

Have you considered that perhaps you should make a little bit of effort at communicating with others?

I'll have you know that I've put a lot of thought as to how to communicate on this board. But nothing that I seem to say matters.

If I said, "Goliath seems to be a fucking moron," wouldn't that bother you?

No.

You're a student of Mathematics...you should know that words mean things.

Moreover, I think seebs is wondering why you seemed to jump to the conclusion that he was putting in such effort just to censor you,

I jumped to no such conclusion.

whereas everyone else seemed to accept the much more reasonable conclusion that there was a software bug of some sorts.

Again, I have no idea why other people thought what they thought.

And you can complain that you aren't a mind reader all you like, but it doesn't excuse your lack of attempt to understand why everyone has problems communicating with you.

Fuck you. I've put most of the past several days in deep thought about how to communicate with you people, and then you spit in my face like this?!

We listen Goliath, we really do.

Who is this "we" of which you speak?

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

maybe it's your refusal to understand and/or use connotations.

Connotations need not have a thing to do with subtlety.

And I thought you were "done with me" until you get that apology that you'll almost surely never get?

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I dont see the ambiguity or the accusation.

You didn't see the part where seebs accused me of accusing him of purposefully censoring me on his blog?

maybe you, goliath, should be more careful about your phrasing.

I always try to be very careful about my phrasing. Unfortunately, I'm not perfect.

Instead of backpedalling like mad and pretending that synonyms arent synonyms.

Bullshit. I am not backpedaling a single micron, and I stand by my first post in this thread 100%.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Connotations need not have a thing to do with subtlety.

And I thought you were "done with me" until you get that apology that you'll almost surely never get?

this is another of those context things that you fail to understand. I have not, nor will I post in that particular thread until I get that apology. That doesnt mean I wont call you on your bullshit.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I have not, nor will I post in a thread that is supportive of you until I get that apology.

Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood.

That doesnt mean I wont call you on your bullshit.

I look forward to the day when you actually back up even one of your hostile assertions against me.

[beyelzu]

here is some goliathian bullshit


you got all pissy about the use of the word certain instead of sure.

saying some typical bullshit about misrepresenting whatever.


and yet what do I find at dictionary.com, a sight I think you should use by the way

why look at the first fucking definition

Impossible to doubt or dispute; certain.

looks like sure means certain.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

and yet what do I find at dictionary.com, a sight I think you should use by the way

why look at the first fucking definition

Impossible to doubt or dispute; certain.

looks like sure means certain.

First of all, dictionaries do not dictate definitions, they prescribe usage. No one that I know of irl uses the word "sure" to mean "certain". Not a one.

Secondly, that's not what the first definition on webster.com says...so why should I give a fuck about a definition that an enemy adheres to?

A good try, but next time, try to actually prove that one of your claims about me is correct.

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Goliath

First of all, dictionaries do not dictate definitions, they prescribe usage. No one that I know of irl uses the word "sure" to mean "certain". Not a one.

and yet everyone I know does, so I guess we are at an impass.

Secondly, that's not what the first definition on webster.com says...so why should I give a fuck about a definition that an enemy adheres to?

I dont think of you as my enemy. Irritating yes, enemy no. dictionary.com was the first place I checked, because I know what the word sure means, I was certain that certain would be in the definition of sure. btw, webster includes certain as a fucking synynom of sure, gee I guess they have nothing to do with each other. Mental note, get pissed at the first person that says I am certain when I am actually sure. It would be fucking hilarious if it wasnt the subject of a rant at a wellintentioned poster.

A good try, but next time, try to actually prove that one of your claims about me is correct.

read goddamnit

check out my goliath style.

[Adora]

Just to be totally unfashionable and bring this thread back OT for a bit, if anyone knows: What are Kerry's policies regarding Iraq, Afghanistant, Saudi Arabia and Guantanamo Bay?

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Adora

Just to be totally unfashionable and bring this thread back OT for a bit, if anyone knows: What are Kerry's policies regarding Iraq, Afghanistant, Saudi Arabia and Guantanamo Bay?

damn you for bringing up the op, what were you thinking





It seems to me that kerry hasnt been really firm on the differences between him and bush in concrete terms, I just dont think he can do any more harm and seems likely to do less than bush.

[Socratoad]

If Kerry does not close that damned concentration camp at Guantanamo he will sink lower than a snake's belly in my esteem.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I dont think of you as my enemy. Irritating yes, enemy no.

So what?

dictionary.com was the first place I checked, because I know what the word sure means, I was certain that certain would be in the definition of sure. btw, webster includes certain as a fucking synynom of sure, gee I guess they have nothing to do with each other. Mental note, get pissed at the first person that says I am certain when I am actually sure. It would be fucking hilarious if it wasnt the subject of a rant at a wellintentioned poster.

Fine. To stop this embarrassing temper-tantrum of yours, I'll let you have this small and inconsequential point. I shouldn't have used the word "sure" when I did (and I will not go back and find the original quote, because Corona is on my ignore list now, and will probably never come off of it).

Feel better now?

[Dingfod]

Originally Posted by Socratoad

If Kerry does not close that damned concentration camp at Guantanamo he will sink lower than a snake's belly in my esteem.

You got that right. Kerry never was my first choice to run against Bush because he hasn't differentiated himself enough, and even when he has, it was contradictory to an earlier stance (thus the flip-flop charge). Kerry says he'll get the troops out of Iraq in his first term and has hinted about sending more troops into Afghanistank to hunt down al Qaeder. We'll see.

As for Saudi Arabia, don't look for much change, we're still dependent on them keeping the oil valves open. The Saudis could devastate the U.S. economy if they were of a mind to, both by cutting off the oil and by cashing in their investments in the U.S.



Sidebar: Goliath made the very first slot in my very first Ignore list just so I could see what it's like. It's cool. I hope stating this is enough to get on his.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by warrenly

I hope stating this is enough to get on his.

Nope. I'm puzzled why you'd put me on your ignore list, Warren. I enjoyed your feedback on my "Okay, I'll just up and ask..." thread (unfortunately, soon after, it turned into the usual situation of me having to fend off multiple attackers).

Oh well, you aren't seeing any of this anyway, Warren, but I thought I'd at least give a response that the others can see.

[Dingfod]

Oh, you're not really on my ignore list, I don't believe in them, it destroys thread continuity and I like to know when someone is bad-mouthing me. You mentioned you put Corona688 on Ignore and I was wondering what it was like to not see your posts. It was kind of weird.