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A friend of ours got bit while pleaco (sp?) diving in the Tampa Bypass Canal. A witness with him said it was over twelve feet long and I believe it, it isn't that unusual to see a gator that big when out on the water. My friend had his shoulder and ribcage bitten, I cannot even say how many punctures there were, but the wounds were so deep that the doctors said that they couldn't stitch them because they were worried about infection. He survived because he started punching the hell out of the gator's nose till it let go.

It is gator mating season. Most people who have been here long enough know that this is a bad time of year. I ban my kids from swimming in lakes and ponds and rivers during this time, which is a shame because my daughter loves the swimming hole. I make the kids stay away from the canal, and I bring the dogs in at night at this time of year. I also know to actually check the grounds for gators when I go out at night. (Soon I'll have to check for cotton mouths.) I was also taught to run in a zigzag pattern to outrun an alligator because they are fast spurt runners, this is something I remind my kids of every year. I'm not paranoid, I just don't want my kids to become gator bait.

Now, part of the problem is that so many people move here and feed the alligators, either because they are idiots, ignorant of the dangers of feeding gators, or just don't care that they are endangering other's lives by feeding gators. Another problem is that so many developments are being built around bodies of water. Bodies that are very likely to have gators in them.
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Alligators are fascinating animals to see up close, one of the last living dinosaurs on the planet.
Alligators are not dinosaurs!

Technically, birds are dinosaurs, though. So if you really want to see a living dinosaur, take a good look at the robins on your lawn.


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Why did they have to kill the alligator? It was only looking for a meal. :cry: I am not entirely serious with the preceding comment. I think it is tragic that this young woman lost her life, but that is what we get encroaching on the habitats of wildlife.
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So if you really want to see a living dinosaur, take a good look at the robins on your lawn.
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i guess the early dinosaur gets the kid.
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There are about 400 species of Anopheles mosquitoes, so no one species comes anywhere close to challenging tsetse flies as the #1 killer. Especially nowadays, since malaria's fairly treatable.

I looked it up. Sleeping sickness kills about 40,000 people a year (according to Wikipedia, which is never wrong), and malaria kill between 1.3 and 3 million, with 85-90% of the deaths occuring in Africa. Although there are many species of mosquitoes, if we use 2 million as the number of Africans killed annually, and 400 as the number of species of mosquitoes, that would mean that each species would kill 5000, if they all killed the exact same number. However, that seems unlikely. My guess: whichever mosquito species is the leader in deaths caused kills more than 40,000 per year. I admit that this is a guess, but it seems reasonable.

What are bacteria, anyway?

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Speaking of alligator attacks: Alligator attacks car, Louisiana man killed. More accurately, the man lost control after hitting an alligator on the highway and struck a tree and was killed.
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[Hopefully, not too much of a derail!]

A quick and dirty guide to living things:


The highest (i.e. most inclusive) taxonomic category in general usage is the Kingdom. Current classification schemes usually divide living organisms into 6 categories.
Kingdom Eubacteria:
The bacteria are arguably the simplest of living organisms. In terms of numbers of individuals, they are by far the most common organisms on the planet, though very few are large-enough to be seen with the naked eye. Bacteria are single-celled organisms with very small and simple cells, compared to virtually all other organisms. Bacteria are prokaryotes, meaning that their cells have no nuclei or other specialized organelles.

Bacteria are largely responsible for the decay of dead organisms. As they digest the organic material, bacteria often release noxious or even poisonous chemicals (this is thought to be a defense mechanism to deter competitors and to discourage animals from eating the decaying matter -- and thus, the bacteria too). When bacteria invade the bodies of living animals or plants, they can cause disease. Food poisoning (caused by eating food that has begun to decay because bacteria are feeding on it), pneumonia, typhoid fever, tetanus, cholera, leprosy and tuberculosis are some of the human illnesses caused by bacterial infection.

Antibiotics can be used to treat these diseases (assuming the bacteria in question haven't evolved immunity to the antibiotic in question -- an increasingly-common occurrance), because antibodies generally work by interrupting the bacterial cells' reproductive cycles. Antibiotics do not work against viral infections, since viruses aren't cellular.

On the other hand, bacterial action is responsible for conversion of milk products to cheese and yogurt.

No known animal species can digest cellulose, but every plant cell is surrounded by a cell wall made of cellulose. Many bacteria can digest cellulose, however, and they live in the guts of virtually all plant-eating animals. It's estimated that there are more bacteria living in the average person's intestine than there are people living on the planet. It seems a bit gross, perhaps, but we wouldn't be able to digest a lot of our food without them.


The "species concept" doesn't really apply to bacteria very well. The terms you hear used to identify bacteria are usually descriptions rather than attempts to determine exactly what "species" you're dealing with.

A bacterium that looks round under the microscope is a coccus (plural cocci. "Strepto" refers to a chain of bacterial cells, so a chain of round bacterial cells is referred to as a streptococcus. Infection of the tissues of the throat by bacteria with this morphology causes "strep throat."

"Staphylo" refers to a cluster of bacterial cells, so round bacterial cells that organize themselves into a cluster make up a staphylococcus. Staphylococcus infections in the lungs are often a cause of pneumonia.

A rod-shaped bacterium is a bacillus (plural bacilli). So, bacilli that organize into chains are streptobacilli. "Rat-bite fever" is caused by a streptobacillus infection.


Bacterial cells can, of course, have other shapes. For example, syphilis is caused by a spiral-shaped bacterium.


Kingdom Archaea:
Archaens, like the eubacteria, are prokaryotes with small, relatively simple cells that lack nuclei or other organelles. Some people call them "bacteria" as well, though purists insist that only eubacteria should be called "bacteria."

Despite their superficial similarity to eubacteria, archaeans have quite different genetics, and appear to be more closely-related to eukaryotes than to the eubacteria.

Many of the archaea are extremophiles, meaning that they live in "extreme" environments. Some can live in water that's well over the boiling point (pressurized water, like that on the bottom of the sea, for instance, boils at a much higher temperature than the 100 degrees C we're used to thinking of as the "boiling point"). Others live in ice in places like Antarctica, where the temperature may never go above freezing.

There are no archaeans that are known to cause diseases.


Kingdom Protista:
The Protista are a "hodge-podge" group of organisms. Basically, anything that can't be fit into any of the other 5 kingdoms is called a "protists."

All protists are eukaryotic, by definition, meaning that their cells have nuclei and other organelles. Their cells are therefore much more complex than are those of bacteria or archaeans, and typically much larger. Like the bacteria and archaeans, however, most (but by no means all) protists are single-celled organisms.

"Plant-like" protists are known as algae. Like most plants, algae are autotrophs, meaning that they can make their own food. They do this by capturing solar energy in the process known as photosynthesis, and using the energy to manufacture glucose. Most (but by no means all) algae live in water.

"Animal-like" protists are known as protozoans. The great majority of protozoans are single-celled. Like animals, they can move on their own (with cilia, flagella, and/or pseudopodia), and virtually all of them are heterotrophs, meaning that they cannot manufacture their own food. So they capture and ingest other organisms for food (just as animals do).

"Fungus-like" protists include the slime molds, which can crawl about like amoebae, but which reproduce with spores, like fungi. Weird critters, no matter how you look at them.

Kingdom Fungi:
Fungi are eukaryotic organisms. Though many people regard them as plant-like (because their cells are surrounded by cell walls), they're actually more closely-related to animals, surprisingly enough.

Fungi are heterotrophs; because of their cell walls, they can't ingest food directly, however, and so they secrete digestive enzymes to digest their food externally. The fungal cells then absorb the digested material.

Many fungi are single-celled organisms (yeasts are single-celled fungi, for example), but there are also quite a few multicellular fungi, such as mushrooms, for example.

A great many fungi are saprophytes, meaning that the feed on already-dead organic matter. As such, like bacteria, they're important decomposers. (We'd be buried in the carcasses of dead plants and animals were it not for bacterial and fungal decomposers.)

Surprisingly, some mushrooms can actually capture and "eat" small worms!

Some fungi are parasites on living organisms. For example, athelete's foot is caused by a fungal infection.


Kingdom Plantae:
Plants are multicellular eukaryotes. (Plants are multicellular by definition, so a "single-celled plant" is a contradiction in terms.) The cells of plants are surrounded by cell walls, though they're quite different from the cell walls of either bacterial or fungal cells.

Virtually all plants are autotrophs and use molecules such as chlorophyll to trap solar energy in photosynthesis. As such, plants form the base of virtually all terrestrial food webs, since they make the food upon which other organisms depend, either directly or indirectly. (Algae form the base of virtually all aquatic food webs.)


Kingdom Animalia:
Animals, like plants, are multicellular by definition. (So there's no such thing as a "single-celled animal" -- an amoeba or a Paramecium is a protist, not an animal.) All animals are heterotrophs and lack the ability to generate their own food, so they must ingest other organisms for food.

Animals' cells lack cell walls, which gives animals much greater potential mobility than either fungi or plants. (Cell walls normally prevent cells from changing shape rapidly, which is why one rarely sees mushrooms or trees participating in marathons.) Animals, alone among Earthly organisms, possess specialized cells for rapidly transmitting information from one part of the organism to another (neurons) and also cells that are specialized to rapidly change shape and create movement (muscle cells).


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Thanks, Michael. What about viruses? Or are they barely considered "living"?
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It sorta depends on whom you ask, but the general consensus is, "No, a virus is not alive."

We've defined living things as being cellular (the cell is the "fundamental unit of life") and so viruses, being non-cellular, aren't alive. Also, a virus has no metabolism of its own. A virus is "just" some DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein coat. If it can get into a living cell, it can co-opt the host cell's metabolism and "force" the cell to make copies of the virus, but outside of a living cell, a virus is more or less inert.

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OK, if the gators don't eat you, you can always be consumed by this world-record hammerhead. lends new meaning to the old beach boys song, 'don't go near the water'

On Tuesday, he reeled in a monstrous 1,280-pounder that ate a 25-pound stingray for bait at Boca Grande Pass near Fort Myers. That would beat by nearly 300 pounds the current all-tackle world record for a hammerhead shark.

Dennis, who was using 130-pound test line, and three friends fought the 14 1/2 foot shark for five hours and it dragged his boat about 12 miles offshore before they got it aboard.

"It's fun hooking them, but if you get too close, they will bite," Dennis said. "And whatever they bite, they will bite off."

The current all-tackle world record hammerhead is 991 pounds, caught May 30, 1982, by Allen Ogle of Punta Gorda, according to the International Game Fish Association. The organization is reviewing the latest catch to determine if it qualifies as the new record, a process that will take about 60 days.

The Port Charlotte fishing captain donated the big fish to the Center for Shark Research at Mote Marine Laboratory in Sarasota, which plans to have it mounted and displayed. Center director Robert Hueter said researchers prefer that people tag and release large sharks because they help sustain the species.

"But we are grateful that this animal has been donated to science. It will help us understand more about these animals," Hueter said.

The largest shark ever hooked was a 2,664-pound great white caught off the southern coast of Australia in 1959.
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Sharks are both beautiful and frightening. They are one reason I can't fully enjoy swimming at the beach. Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there. They are, more than one realizes.

On one of our anniversarys, first husband and I stayed out at the beach. But I came down sick as a dog, so he decided to go out for a walk along the beach by himself. He came back a couple of hours later. Wet. Pale, too. He decided to go for a swim, and when he got out of the water, he went up to the pier and walked along it. Half way down the pier, there's a bait shop. With pictures of catches made at the pier. Many of the pictures were taken at night. Of sharks. Big sharks.

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You know what's really scary, flash a strong light into the Tampa Bay at night. The damned bay is infested with sharks.

I go swimming at the beach, I am stupid and risk my safety quite a bit, but for me, unless I really get some swimming in, the beach experience just sucks...all the hot sun, the rashy sand that clings to everything, etc. But I do make my kids stay in the more shallow and clear water and my husband and I watch them like a hawk. I guess I am just waiting to dive into the path of a shark that has them in their sights.
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There is a wild animal 300 times more dangerous than sharks and alligators.
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There are indeed many more sharks swimming about in those waters than most people would guess. I saw a fascinating picture in Natural History magazine a couple of years ago, taken from a ultralight aircraft flying over a Miami (I think it was Miami anyway; maybe it was Tampa -- I can't recall exactly right now) beach. There are hundreds of people in the water, and you can clearly see maybe a dozen or so fairly big sharks swimming among them.


Of course, a human is much larger than the prey normally taken by all but a few sharks (like Great Whites, for instance), and even they almost never intentionally attack humans.* The great majority of shark attacks take place when visibility is poor -- either because of darkness or because the water is clouded with silt. This is apparently because under those conditions, the shark can't see, and mistakes a human in the water for a wounded fish. (The splashing of a person in the water sounds remarkably like the sounds made by a wounded, struggling fish.)


Sadly, quite a lot of shark species are seriously endangered. Largely, it's due to overfishing, though habitat destruction is also a serious threat. (The mangrove groves of Florida serve as "nurseries" for several shark species, including lemon sharks and hammerheads. Pregnant mothers come into the mangrove forests to give birth, and the mangroves provide cover for the young sharks until they're large-enough to move out into open water.)

To "harvest" sharks for shark-fin soup, the common practice is to catch sharks, hack off their fins, then toss the still-living animals back into the water to bleed to death.


Despite the fact that many shark species are in real danger of extinction, it's difficult to interest people in their plight, unfortunately.



*Great whites feed largely on seals and sea lions, which have thick layers of blubber. Many of the people attacked by great whites have been surfers. It's thought that, to a shark swimming below, a person on a surfboard looks more or less exactly like a seal or sea lion. In virtually every instance of a great white attacking a human, the shark bit once, then immediately let go and swam away. Apparently, as soon as it bites into a human victim, it realizes that what it had bitten into has too little body fat and too much bone density to be a pinniped, and lets go.

Small comfort for the person bitten, I'm sure. But it does illustrate the point that there are few -- if any -- sharks that deliberately attack humans. So, if you want to avoid shark attacks, make sure to always swim in clear, well-lit water.


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OK, if the gators don't eat you, you can always be consumed by this world-record hammerhead. lends new meaning to the old beach boys song, 'don't go near the water'

On Tuesday, he reeled in a monstrous 1,280-pounder that ate a 25-pound stingray for bait at Boca Grande Pass near Fort Myers. That would beat by nearly 300 pounds the current all-tackle world record for a hammerhead shark.
Update

The likely world-record hammerhead shark caught in May weighed 1,280 pounds because it was pregnant with 55 pups -- the most scientists have ever seen.Scientists at Mote Marine Laboratory, where the shark was taken for a necropsy, said Thursday that 52 were nearly full-term and just a few days from birth. The shark was estimated to be between 40 and 50 years old.

Scientists previously believed that hammerhead sharks gave birth to 20 to 40 pups at a time.
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I don't know about you, but I'm not jumping on the back of a 10 foot alligator to save my girlfriend's mutt like this South Carolina man did.
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