People Who Use The Ignore Feature Are Weak

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Crumb

You think you should have the right to inflict your crap on others? How is that not infringing on their freedom to have nothing to do with you?

You have the freedom to blather on as much as you like, but you are not promised an audience. That must be earned.

lol...inflict my crap? i simply stated a point. i have an audience, crumb...and you took my use of that word out of context.

how do i earn it? by just playing word games all day? naw...

michael

[freemonkey]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

weak. you might have control over your environment, but ignoring me has control over miine. my 'audience' and feedback is limited. it can also be used as a weapon. some of you need a lesson in what freedom really is. i didn't say anything in that thread to warrant being ignored. weak.

michael

Since I'm not actually ignoring you, I'll engage and point out that your argument is pretty weak. You seem to be equating individuals' choices, and ff's making choices available to its members with some sort of overall censorship of YOU.

Care to state simply what your version "freedom really is"?

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

You are not entitled to attention, Michael. The default environment is not all eyes on you. You are ignored actively or passively every day in every environment you're ever in, just like everyone else.

Do you resent someone who puts on his headphones and listens to music while you're talking loudly in a subway? Is he "weak" while the person just looking out the window or reading or tuning you out in some other way is strong?

totally taken out of context to win a point. it ain't working. this is not a subway but a forum that claims to support free thought. you have the right to simply ignore me by not reading, but an ignore feature is not that. it is a tool to bully...as evidenced by the celebratory thread regarding my being ignored by some...

i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance. using it as a team sport...strips MY freedom.

michael

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by freemonkey

Since I'm not actually ignoring you, I'll engage and point out that your argument is pretty weak. You seem to be equating individuals' choices, and ff's making choices available to its members with some sort of overall censorship of YOU.

Care to state simply what "freedom really is"?

i just explained the first bit in a reply to liv.

what is freedom? the same rules applied to everybody. team ignoring and ganging up by people who share similar values and beliefs...that ain't it. it is your freedom to do that, but it has nothing to do with free speech or thinking.

michael

[Crumb]

Celebrating ignoring someone, and just quietly ignoring them are two different things. I can see why the former bothers you. But realize that quietly ignoring someone you don't want to read bothers no one, and improves the browsing experience for some.

[Leesifer]

Oh the

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Crumb

Celebrating ignoring someone, and just quietly ignoring them are two different things. I can see why the former bothers you. But realize that quietly ignoring someone you don't want to read bothers no one, and improves the browsing experience for some.

i agree with you 100 percent...i just don't think you need a button to do that. i think that steps on the intent of this forum, which i believe is free thinking.

michael

[SharonDee]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

what use is it if i come here and nobody listens?

Hmm ... maybe you'll give up and go away?

Not that I wish you would or that I'm asking you to, you understand.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Leesifer

Oh the

lol...geez, for a number nut like me, this thread is making my day...there's an 11:11 post time and you just nailed a 12:12

you know what that means dontcha??? I'M RIGHT!

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by SharonDee

Hmm ... maybe you'll give up and go away?

Not that I wish you would or that I'm asking you to, you understand.

give what up??

happy bday btw...


michael

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

i am entitled full access to everybody here.

No, you are not.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

then it isn't free...at least fully. your forum...close enough for me

[Crumb]

The forum name is Freethought, not Freeaudience.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

and how is thought free when you place brackets or blinders on it? using the feature is as much an impediment to your freedom as it is to the person being ignored...probably more in the end. your thoughts are only free around other thoughts that are the same...is that really free? the choice is, but is the outcome?

i don't think so.

hey vm...i've got deja vu

(this time im no pussy...i'm staying )

michael

[viscousmemories]

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Dingfod]

This is not the thoughtfree forum, but it is the Ignored-poster-free forum.

[livius drusus]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

totally taken out of context to win a point. it ain't working. this is not a subway but a forum that claims to support free thought. you have the right to simply ignore me by not reading, but an ignore feature is not that. it is a tool to bully...as evidenced by the celebratory thread regarding my being ignored by some...

People use a variety of ignore features for a variety of reasons. They can ignore an avatar they don't like, they can prevent someone from emailing or PMing them, they can ignore a thread with lots of pictures of big, hairy spiders, they can tune out a drama they're not interested in, they can do lots of things for lots of reasons.

It's true that we are dedicated to the free exchange of ideas and it's true that this isn't a subway but a very specific and unique text-based medium. That very medium that allows so much freedom can also have something of an echo-chamber effect which can be maddening even to the point of materially damaging the environment. Some forums choose to counter this effect by shushing people. We offer headphones.

i am entitled full access to everybody here. it is up to them to just ignore me. using a tool to help accomplish that strips your own freedom from learning tolerance.

You are entitled to no such thing. People limit access to themselves in a myriad ways using the software tools to help accomplish that, starting with usernames.

Whether someone uses any of these features says nothing about their tolerance or anything else about their character.

using it as a team sport...strips MY freedom.

It's not personally to my taste, but I disagree that it strips your freedom. I think it teaches you tolerance.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...

[The Jesus Lawyer]

oh liv...come on...how does using an ignroe button teach tolerance? even you gotta see that for what it is

btw...in every example you gave, i can find a way to ignore without using a button.

we aren't going to agree on this, so i will give up. it's your forum and it's a good one. take care.

michael

[The Jesus Lawyer]

i will concede this...i guess the ignore feature would work if somebody was a spammer and troll in the real sense. those people fuck with our freedom and so have it coming. i give in on that...though i still wouldn't use it

well...i'm off for a bike ride! enjoy the day

michael

[viscousmemories]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...

No shit. Read it as "Your right to post your writings ends where the other man's right to choose what he reads begins", and that's precisely what you're "entitled to" here. Besides, didn't you just complain about being hurt by the ignore feature?

[Sock Puppet]

Originally Posted by The Jesus Lawyer

you forget where you are...nobody can break your nose online. nobody can hurt you at all...

Except that you've just admitted to feeling hurt. Maybe you should stop being so weak.

[The Jesus Lawyer]

dammit! i just about escaped..

yes...right to choose. is there a choice when every thread is ignored? no there isn't. i might have pissed some people off in the grace thread, but i think i also add some ok things. i contribute always with good intentions...but when i am ignored, it is all ignored...who is punching who? what does that have to do with the right to choose when there is nothing to choose from?

michael

[The Jesus Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Sock Puppet

Except that you've just admitted to feeling hurt. Maybe you should stop being so weak.

of course it smarts to see a group of people set out to ignore you and enjoy themselves. i actually don't think i am weak...i am being nice, patient and i am still here.

if anything, my problem is in not letting things go. time to teach myself a lesson...

[Sock Puppet]

Somewhere I missed how calling people "weak" over and over is nice and patient.