Federal Appeals Court Upholds Constitutionality Of Ten Commandments Display

[livius drusus]

I'd be curious to see your source on that story, please, LionsDen.

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

I'd be curious to see your source on that story, please, LionsDen.

So would I. Because he's dissembling and misrepresenting yet again.

Although I'm certain his source is the Alliance Defense Fund.

[LionsDen]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

I'd be curious to see your source on that story, please, LionsDen.

Yes, you can read all about at these fine websites plus the Alliance Defense Fund site too.

The Claremont Institute: The Remedy
The mission of The Claremont Institute is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. Learn More... ban on a teacher giving students the Declaration of Independence, described by Tom Karako below, is in direct conflict with California ... to God were already ... the school said that ...www.claremont.org/weblog/001676.html - 57k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School
... California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence ... the principle is ...democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&... -

Posted on 11/29/2004 3:40:24 PM PST by Ed Current. CUPERTINO, Calif. -- ... they contain references to God and Christianity ... Cupertino, California school that has barred the Declaration of Independence, various ...www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1290657/posts - 54k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Declaration of Independence banned from CA school - Ex Isle Forums
... California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God — including the Declaration of Independence ... blanket ban on ...http://www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?...90&#entry476890 - 284k - Cached - More from this site - Save

The Mayor Speaks: Left Coast Insanity
Left Coast Insanity. It is political correctness and anti-God behavior gone nuts. From the Reuters news wire... California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence ... school principle Patricia ...http://www.joelcomm.com/2004/11/lef...t_insanity.html - 17k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Alturas Forums - California Schools Ban Declaration of Independence
AlturasForums.Com - A General Discussion and Off Topic conversation forum! ... did the teacher ban the entire Declaration of Independence from being taught by any teacher in the entire school ... contains references to God". The principle never said "you've been ...http://www.alturasforums.com/forums....php/t-803.html - 35k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Alturas Forums - California Schools Ban Declaration of Independence
... contains references to God ... California Schools Ban Declaration of Independence. On the contrary, there is a question of why. As in, "Why did the school only require this one teacher ...http://www.alturasforums.com/forums...php?t=803&pp=40 - 44k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Re: DOI Banned from Public School Classroom as Religious Material
Post 1 of 1 Topic 1277 of 6331. Post > Topic >> Re: DOI Banned from Public School Classroom as Religious Materialwww.talkabouteducation.com/group/alt.education/messages/154587.html - 15k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Declaration of Independence Banned at California School - MacNN Forums
Declaration of Independence Banned at California School Political/War Lounge ... California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence ... to ban the DoI ...forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=236436 - 208k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Expelling the Founders: God and History in California
Posted on 12/10/2004 10:42:09 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ... God or religion. Included in the ban, according to Williams, "are excerpts from the Declaration of Independence ... and the school principle ...www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1298718/posts - 38k - Cached - More from this site - Save
RonaldReagan.Com Message Board: Update on" banning" the Declaration of Independence

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Media Matters - FOX peddles false report that California school "banned Declaration of Independence because it ...
You are not logged in. Wed, Dec 8, 2004 8:24pm EST. FOX peddles false report that California school "banned Declaration of Independence because it mentions God" ... in the school? What if the teacher had been ...mediamatters.org/items/200412090002 - 50k - Cached - More from this site - Save

The last source is from a liberal leftwing website, media matters, that is what I call ACLU-lite. The claim the story is a hoax. They are wrong, as is so much of the misinformation from the liberal left.

The ADF, however, says that they interview everyone in person who asks for their help. Then they interview witnesses and then check sources. The refuse cases if they cannot confirm the complaint. They investigated this and confirmed it.

You can decide. Another poster her repeated the propaganda line that just because the school system has the DOI in a book (or on a school wall) that it somehow makes the lawsuit invalid. The other poster is wrong. The fact is that the policy of the principal was to prevent the assembly of all these various documents in a single source of information about religious freedom for the students.

Why? Because the liberals fear devout religious faith like the founding fathers had, like Ronald Reagan had, and like our current President and Vice-President enjoy. I am pleased to report that the principal's anti-faith censorship campaign failed. I celebrate the victory!

My take is that the school system felt the heat and lied about the original principal's order or just let the principal lie and then reversed the ban policy. It is creepy that such a thing could happen in America, but then that was California!

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

FOX peddles false report that California school "banned Declaration of Independence because it mentions God"

Whoops, sorry. You did post something truthful for a change. Good for you.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

Yes, you can read all about at these fine websites plus the Alliance Defense Fund site too.

The Claremont Institute: The Remedy
The mission of The Claremont Institute is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. Learn More... ban on a teacher giving students the Declaration of Independence, described by Tom Karako below, is in direct conflict with California ... to God were already ... the school said that ...www.claremont.org/weblog/001676.html - 57k - Cached - More from this site - Save

Well, let's see:
The first link in this "source" is the famous "file not found" source that all conservatives like to quote from. Edited to add: I see you removed it.

The current link is an opinion posted on a blog. However, the links in the blog comments are, predictably, dead-end links. The "Tom Karako" article is nowhere to be found. I'm sorry - did anyone give you the mistaken impression that a blog entry was a source?

Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School
... California teacher has been barred by his school from giving students documents from American history that refer to God -- including the Declaration of Independence ... the principle is ...democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&... -

This link, obviously, is incomplete in the form you provided it.

Posted on 11/29/2004 3:40:24 PM PST by Ed Current. CUPERTINO, Calif. -- ... they contain references to God and Christianity ... Cupertino, California school that has barred the Declaration of Independence, various ...[url]www.freerepublic.com

Freerepublic is a redneck wingnut propaganda site, not a source. Silly!

Oh, Alpha, Alpha, Alpha -- tsk, tsk -- I'm quite sure we had this discussion last time you were here. No bullshit biased sources, remember?

I'm not going to bother with the rest of your sources, since your track record so far indicates that you wouldn't know a valid source if it walked up and slapped you.

[D. Scarlatti]

It doesn't matter what his sources are. The bottom line is, LionsDen is full of shit. The teacher was using his classroom as a fundamentalist pulpit, several parents complained, and, in reponse to these complaints, he was placed under scrutiny by the principal, who required he submit his lesson plans beforehand. He went ahead and kept using his position as a public school teacher to preach his own personal version of Christianity anyway.

He sued the principal, alleging four causes of action, including a violation of equal protection which, in that jurisdiction, is very liberally construed. A ham sandwich can get past the initial pleading stage with an equal protection claim.

However, each of his other three substantive causes of action were dismissed - with prejudice. He was ordered to file an amended complaint stating only the equal protection claim (which becomes just a tad more difficult beyond the initial pleading stage).

Ultimately he withdrew the complaint (supposedly) pursuant to a settlement with the school district that awarded him absolutely nothing. He then quit his job and returned to obscurity. The ADF, however, continues to lie like a fucking rug.

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

Another poster here repeated the propaganda line that just because the school system has the DOI in a book (or on a school wall) that it somehow makes the lawsuit invalid. The other poster is wrong.

By the way, that is not what I said at all. What I said was that a textbook used by the school district contains the Declaration of Independence. The headline on the ADF press release was "Declaration of Independence Banned from Classroom." The fact that the ADF lied has nothing to do with the lawsuit.

Your compendium of links serves no other purpose than to confirm that a series of rightwing screwheads swallowed and regurgitated the ADF's baldfaced lie. And it goes without saying - although it's always fun to point out - that you are engaging in the same dishonest activity right here.

My take is that the school system felt the heat and lied about the original principal's order or just let the principal lie and then reversed the ban policy.

There was no "policy," and your "take" is complete bullshit, along with the rest of your drivel.

It is creepy that such a thing could happen in America, but then that was California!

What is creepy is that a public school teacher actually believes that his "freedom of speech" entitles him to convert his classroom into a fundamentalist pulpit before a captive audience of fifth graders.

From a purely academic standpoint, what's even creepier is an alleged history teacher presenting to his captive audience of fifth graders forged documents in the guise of 'George Washington's Prayer Journals.'