Court to decide issue of Child Molesters being excluded from childrens' park.

[LionsDen]

Is it true that convicted child molesters are never completely reformed?

Is it reasonable to restrict child molesters' access to your children at parks and playgrounds?

Is it reasonable to issue a permanent restraining order to keep them 1000 feet away?

ACLU Files Lawsuit Over Indianapolis Sex Offender Ban
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
Written By A. Urti

The ACLU of Indiana has filed a lawsuit in United States District Court over a new ordinance which bans convicted sex offenders from coming within 1,000 feet on parks, pools, and playgrounds when children are present.

The ordinance, which imposes maximum fines of $2,500 for violations, passed with an overwhelming 25-2 vote in early May and took effect immediately.

Six sex offenders claim that the ordinance is constitutionally vague and violates their rights.

“It is virtually impossible to travel through the streets and interstate highways in Marion County without passing within 1,000 feet of a playground open to the public, recreation center, bathing beach, swimming pool or wading pool, sports field, or facility,” states the complaint.

The ACLU of Indiana and the plaintiffs are seeking temporary and permanent injunctions barring the city from enforcing the new law, according to The Associated Press.

In August, 2005, the ACLU announced that it was planning to challenge similar Florida laws which require sexual predators to steer clear of schools, parks, day-care centers, libraries, and playgrounds.

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/...spx?story=3067

Sexual predators... Can they be reformed? If not, then what can and should be done to protect vulnerable children?

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by Reclaim America for Jeezus

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A slightly more balanced account:

ACLU fights child molester 'banishment'

[beyelzu]

There's the man who received counseling and was awarded joint custody of his son, now 7 years old. The pair frequently visits parks and other recreational centers. Because the man is employed at a place within 1,000 feet of a park, he would breach the ordinance by going to work, the suit says.
Another man votes at a public school within range of a sports field. Because he is not eligible to cast an absentee ballot, the new restrictions would keep him from voting, the suit says.

but why should child molesters vote or be allowed to work /sarcasm

[erimir]

It's not tso much that they're excluded from the parks, as that they're not allowed within 1000 feet of them, which prevents them from going much of anywhere.

1000 feet is a long distance.

[Annie]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

Is it reasonable to issue a permanent restraining order to child molesters, to keep them 1000 feet away from your children's parks, playgrounds & pools?

If said child has one trustworthy, responsible, caring *parent/adult* in attendance at all times, what's the problem?

Originally Posted by LionsDen

Sexual predators... Can they be reformed?

Yes.
But it's only the rare one, who wants/intends to *change*.

Originally Posted by LionsDen

If not, then what can and should be done to protect vulnerable children?

Never leave vulnerable child/ren UN-attended/protected, anywhere where others freely exercise "automatic authority" - including medical-doctors, and especially any church.

Annie

[LionsDen]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

but why should child molesters vote or be allowed to work /sarcasm

Child molesters are not allowed to vote in FL and some other states. That applies to all convicted felons. Good idea. That keeps bad people from influencing politics. This makes for good morals and social values in our laws.

And as for work, homosexuals and child predators should not work with impressionable children. Laws against this practice are reasonable. I expect a future congress to remove this from federal court jurisdiction and allow states to better protect our children.

...so that's why convicted child molesters shouldn't vote or be allowed to work with our children /sincerity

[D. Scarlatti]

What do homosexuals have to do with child predators?

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

Child molesters are not allowed to vote in FL and some other states. That applies to all convicted felons. Good idea. That keeps bad people from influencing politics. This makes for good morals and social values in our laws.

And as for work, homosexuals and child predators should not work with impressionable children. Laws against this practice are reasonable. I expect a future congress to remove this from federal court jurisdiction and allow states to better protect our children.

...so that's why convicted child molesters shouldn't vote or be allowed to work with our children /sincerity

if they have been released and served their debt to society then their rights should be reinstated which does happen in plenty of states. florida is a bad example cuz jeb actually takes away rights of people who have been convicted of felonies in other states and had their rights restored.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

so that's why convicted child molesters shouldn't vote or be allowed to work with our children /sincerity

So, what about the registered offender who's done his time and is trying to stay out of trouble. Suppose he has a steady job in a gargage or some such place that is within the proscribed distance. Is it just that he should lose his job, simply because it is too close to a playground?

[mountain_hare]

Scar said:

What do homosexuals have to do with child predators?

Seconded. Why bring homosexuals into an issue about child molestation? Your bias against homosexuals is showing for all to see, Lion.

[D. Scarlatti]

I know it's a tall order, but if you can somehow come up with a heterosexual child predator, then all heterosexuals are banned from interacting with impressionable children. That would be a reasonable law.

And for good measure, Congress should strip the Article III courts of their jurisdiction over heterosexuals.

[Ymir's blood]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

That keeps bad people from influencing politics.

If bad people didn't influence politics, there would be no one in office.

[LionsDen]

Originally Posted by Ymir's blood

If bad people didn't influence politics, there would be no one in office.

I disagree. If bad people didn't vote or were blocked from giving to campaigns, then the good people would have more influence.

[HyugaHinata]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

I disagree. If bad people didn't vote or were blocked from giving to campaigns, then the good people would have more influence.

Let's start with Fred Phelps, his ilk and those who oppose universal healthcare, then.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

I disagree. If bad people didn't vote or were blocked from giving to campaigns, then the good people would have more influence.

How about we start with a definition of "bad people"? You seem to be equating convicted felons with bad people. Is it a given that all convicted felons are necessarily bad people? Do you believe in the possibility of reformation and/or spiritual regeneration? Assuming that you allow for such a possibility, then it would follow that at least some convicted felons might be formerly bad persons. Should they also be permanently denied the right to vote? Further, if one allows that formerly bad people can become good people, what test might be applied to distinguish between those who have reformed and those who have not? What about those bad people who have never been caught or convicted? How does a society go about weeding them out from amongst those who ought to be allowed to participate in the political system?

Angakuk

[LionsDen]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

How about we start with a definition of "bad people"? You seem to be equating convicted felons with bad people. Is it a given that all convicted felons are necessarily bad people? Do you believe in the possibility of reformation and/or spiritual regeneration? Assuming that you allow for such a possibility, then it would follow that at least some convicted felons might be formerly bad persons. Should they also be permanently denied the right to vote? Further, if one allows that formerly bad people can become good people, what test might be applied to distinguish between those who have reformed and those who have not? What about those bad people who have never been caught or convicted? How does a society go about weeding them out from amongst those who ought to be allowed to participate in the political system?

Angakuk

How about not letting convicted felons vote? Or not vote until after ten years of good behavior? I am sure you can imagine a plan that will weed out repeat convicted offenders from polluting public political life.

What a wonderful improvement that would be. And we'd need tight controls over identification to make sure dishonest democrats and liberals don't vote twice!

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by LionsDen

How about not letting convicted felons vote? Or not vote until after ten years of good behavior? I am sure you can imagine a plan that will weed out repeat convicted offenders from polluting public political life.

Actually, I think a probationary period before the full restoration of civil rights would probably be a good idea. No, it should not be difficult to sort out repeat offenders. What about those "bad people" who just haven't been caught yet? Got a plan for them?

Originally Posted by LionsDen

And we'd need tight controls over identification to make sure dishonest democrats and liberals don't vote twice!

I suppose it is alright though if dishonest Republicans and conservatives vote twice! The more often they vote the better, right?

Angakuk

[Veritas]

What about those un-caught sex offenders? Those who have yet to offend? How do you protect children from those who might harm them? What about the fact most molested children are victims in their own home or family?

A subject to which I sadly, don't think there will ever be a workable solution/cure.