After penetration, you're on your own - Page 4

D. Scarlatti · #76 11-17-2006, 01:57 AM

Took me a second.

JackDog · #77 11-17-2006, 02:04 AM

I'm even slower....I completely glossed over it, and wouldn't have read it again if you hadn't mentioned it.

Kudos to you, Mr. Maturin, and kudos again.

Clutch Munny · #78 11-17-2006, 02:23 AM

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I'm not into getting anywhere in life because I'm a victim, it will be on equal footing with the work that I put into it. I've never gotten any special breaks in college and my career for being a woman in a male dominated field.

To the extent that this is true -- which may not be a great extent -- it's largely owing to the work of women who did indeed "take rights away" that many men believed they possessed. It's a good thing for you that not everyone was so reluctant to be considered radical.

To my mind your characterizations of "radical feminism" perpetuate the media misrepresentations of feminism, rather than transcending them.

And apparently my whole post was lost on you. You can't seriously compare the founding mothers of feminism to the radical feminists today.

I confess I don't entirely know what you mean by the "founding mothers" or "the" radical feminists today. But many of those who would merit the former label, as I would use it, had ideas that would still be lampooned as radical -- and for their time they were simply outrageous. Luckily for you, they didn't regard that accusation as a show-stopper.

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Those women were lifting women up with men, today people think it's about pushing men down in the process too. As I said, the vast majority of feminists are more moderate. People's perceptions of feminism lean towards what they see on the media and that is only the fringes of feminism.

I don't think it was lost on me that this was your claim. It strikes me as repeating the media myths about "radical" feminism -- whatever that is; there are many sorts, radical in very different ways -- rather than looking past the myths.

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I believe in equality, some would rather degrade others in the process.

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I'm sorry if some here don't like my take on feminism, but all those women that fought for my rights gives ME the right to have my own interpretation. Ha! Imagine that.

You always had the "right" to have your own interpretation. Now you have the opportunities to publicize it, and to have it taken seriously -- even to the extent of having its deficiencies seen as worthy of discussion.

D. Scarlatti · #79 11-17-2006, 02:43 AM

What in the world is "radical feminism" and which of its elements have been espoused in this thread?

Does women trashing a rape victim count as "radical feminism"?

biochemgirl · #80 11-17-2006, 04:18 AM

Aye, I give up :wall:

I was not the first one to start throwing around the term feminism. Anyway, it's been swell and all but I have to be to work in ohh 7 hours so goodnight! :wave:

biochemgirl · #81 11-17-2006, 04:20 AM

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What in the world is "radical feminism" and which of its elements have been espoused in this thread?

Does women trashing a rape victim count as "radical feminism"?

None, I just got off on a tangent :blush:

D. Scarlatti · #82 11-17-2006, 04:35 AM

I mentioned feminism by way of suggesting this court's decision is in opposition to feminist theory. I don't know what "radical feminism" is exactly, but I don't think feminist opposition to this decision would be especially radical in any sense. I was also somewhat taken aback by the characterizations of the victim in this case, which came from, coincidentally perhaps, the females posting in this thread.

If the sample size was any greater, and I was any more facetious, I'd be tempted to suggest that non-feminist females should be grateful for the defense of feminist theory by feminist males.

Shelli · #83 11-17-2006, 11:26 AM

Is this bettah? :manhater:

biochemgirl · #84 11-17-2006, 11:31 AM

females? Shelli made some comments but I in no way made characterizations of the victim. I was not saying the opposition to this case is radical at all. I thought your feminist comment was in response to my disagreeing that it was the same as rape. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean that I don't take feminism seriously, it's insulting to imply that just because I don't side with the female in this case than I must be lacking in feminism. But in looking back it could have been to Shelli's comments :shrug:

And obviously the females in this thread aren't the only ones agreeing this is not the SAME as rape. As I said, how INSULTING to rape victims. Is it a crime? Yes. But it is NOT the same as rape.