intellectual and intelligent nazis

[Leesifer]

Originally Posted by 2grow

i would like to know why some intellectuals are so racist and full of hate, is it to feel superior? usually intellectuals feel superior to the general population cause they are smarter but maybe these ones crave more??? they say the liberals are dumb and brainwash by the media and of course the j00z.

Yes!

[S.Vashti]

Originally Posted by 2grow

no ive seen nazis who say their IQ is 140 and despite their evil ways, i can believe it, they are extremely well written, knowledgable and smart. their views are dumb but they are most certainly not. in my opinion these people are more dangerous than the idiots on stormfront.

i would like to know why some intellectuals are so racist and full of hate, is it to feel superior? usually intellectuals feel superior to the general population cause they are smarter but maybe these ones crave more??? they say the liberals are dumb and brainwash by the media and of course the j00z.

It's possible their ethic are shifted into modes you may not find of value, but they do. Many people think (to keep) pure and (to follow) authority, as well as (promote) community, are important values, and fascism does tend to promote those values, and devalue things such as empathy, and fairness.

Fairness, empathy, community, authority, and purity, are postulated by some social scientists as foundational ethical stances that all people have, in varying individual proportions, and in varying cultural proportions. What you value, in terms of your ethics, will depend on your culture and your upbringing, and also, should you choose to reflect on them, your personal choice.

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[2grow]

Originally Posted by Chris Porter

It's possible their ethic are shifted into modes you may not find of value, but they do. Many people think (to keep) pure and (to follow) authority, as well as (promote) community, are important values, and fascism does tend to promote those values, and devalue things such as empathy, and fairness.

Fairness, empathy, community, authority, and purity, are postulated by some social scientists as foundational ethical stances that all people have, in varying individual proportions, and in varying cultural proportions. What you value, in terms of your ethics, will depend on your culture and your upbringing, and also, should you choose to reflect on them, your personal choice.

So its their upbringing...even if a child is intelligent and intellectual he can still be a racist because his parents were...then will this cycle never break...

what about the ones who will fight to the death for their white race, isnt that similar to the muslims, are they right though is the white race really endangered and going extinct... in 100 years america will be mixed i heard and europe will be overrun by muslims!

[Naru]

Originally Posted by 2grow

what about the ones who will fight to the death for their white race, isnt that similar to the muslims, are they right though is the white race really endangered and going extinct... in 100 years america will be mixed i heard and europe will be overrun by muslims!

Have you met yguy yet?

[viscousmemories]

i think i was over running by a black muslim at the gym tonight... but i cant be sure!

[Qingdai]

Good thing there is only one human race and we only really endanger ourselves.

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[Caligulette]

Originally Posted by 2grow

what about the ones who will fight to the death for their white race, isnt that similar to the muslims, are they right though is the white race really endangered and going extinct... in 100 years america will be mixed i heard and europe will be overrun by muslims!

No, they are not right. They are idiots. I hope this answers your questions.

[ZEZOZE]

national socialism has nothing to do with intelligence.

(yours to play around with)

[chunksmediocrites]

Because intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing. The example I've seen used (from 70's TV) is Edith Bunker from All In The Family. Not bright, but wise. Lyndon LaRouche and Ann Coulter are probably smart people. I don't think they are wise. As Daniel Goleman pointed out, there are all kinds of intelligence.

People also have a lot of strategies to rationalize behavior (example: designating a group of people as sub-human makes it easier to marginalize or kill or enslave or torture them.) and keep the cognitive dissonance at bay.

As they invest their identity (and often financial well-being) more deeply in an ideology, they dare not examine questionable underpinnings for fear of being cast adrift psychologically, socially, economically, or otherwise.

[2grow]

i think its upbringing too i know very smart racist nazi his iq probably like 140 but he grew up in deep south usa very racist parennts segregated maybe it never left him

what abouit stormfront forum they have 200 members viewing right now when should we be scared of them when they have maybe 2 millionÉÉÉÉÉÉ

[Naru]

Originally Posted by 2grow

i think its upbringing too i know very smart racist nazi his iq probably like 140 but he grew up in deep south usa very racist parennts segregated maybe it never left him

what abouit stormfront forum they have 200 members viewing right now when should we be scared of them when they have maybe 2 millionÉÉÉÉÉÉ

"millionÉÉÉÉÉÉ" is the strangest typo I have ever seen....

And I seriously doubt Stormfront is going to magically grow by a factor of ten thousand anytime soon.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Naruto

And I seriously doubt Stormfront is going to magically grow by a factor of ten thousand anytime soon.

Only because teh whites are committing teh racial suicide by letting scary dark people outbreed them! OMG SCARY!

[Adam]

Also, as Chris Porter and ITSOZ pointed out, and as I sort of sarcastically alluded to in my first post, intelligence and values do not necessarily have anything to do with each other.

Originally Posted by David Hume

'Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.

[S.Vashti]

Originally Posted by 2grow

So its their upbringing...even if a child is intelligent and intellectual he can still be a racist because his parents were...then will this cycle never break...

Right, someone intelligent can grow up racist and the like. However, it i still possible to change those values, it's not however, easier because the person is intelligent.

what about the ones who will fight to the death for their white race, isnt that similar to the muslims, are they right though is the white race really endangered and going extinct... in 100 years america will be mixed i heard and europe will be overrun by muslims!

Purity, of one sort or another, is very important to all people. Purity values cover such things as repugnance at touching fecal matter, to reluctance to stick one's dick in a woman who's had other partners! Yes, virginity value is in part, based on purity values. So too would be commingling with people of a distinct different skin color; for some people, the repugnance is so innate to them, that it doesn't rise to the level of hate. And that's why they can claim to not be racist, because they don't hate people of other skin colors, they just can't find any value in them, to either hate or love. It's their own purity they want to keep. These are people who don't examine their values, or at least, evaluate them using reasons others would use. But it can still occur, that these people may come to reassess their values, and decide that the purity value of a skin color is not as important as the purity value of, say, not licking toads. It's just not a given.

[LadyShea]

Intelligent people are really no less likely to believe stupid things, I have found. I know geniuses who believe in all manner of kooky shit.

[seebs]

Hey, is this the Mr2 who just showed up over at R&R with the same nonsense?

[The Lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Intelligent people are really no less likely to believe stupid things, I have found. I know geniuses who believe in all manner of kooky shit.

Exactly so. There is no necessary correlation between intelligence and the rationality of one's beliefs. If one holds a belief for emotional rather than rational reasons, it's hardly likely you can reason him or her out of that belief.


More to the point, "intelligent" does not necessarily mean "willing or able to examine the reasons for or the rationality of deeply-held beliefs".

For example, it has been repeatedly shown that by an overwhelming margin, the most important determinant of one's religious beliefs is how you were raised. Someone raised in a Catholic family and a Catholic nation is hardly likely to grow up to be a Buddhist, for instance. Most people believe what they were taught as children by their parents and other trusted authority figures, and do so more or less without question. Few people, even as adults, have the willingness (or perhaps even the capacity) to seriously question the "fundamental values" with which they were inculcated as children.

As such, if one were relentlessly taught from infancy that "Jews" are somehow "inferior", for example, it's unlikely that you'd question that basic principle as an adult -- even if you're quite intelligent.


At least an intelligent person has the potential to question the rationality of his/her beliefs, though that doesn't mean he or she will actually do so.

That was one of the reasons why I could never understand the appeal of Forrest Gump. Gump was a "good person" for one reason only -- because he lacked the intellectual capacity to ever question whether or not what his mother taught him was right. Fortunately, she indoctrinated him with good values. But she could just as easily have turned him into a monster -- and he'd never have questioned that what she taught him was "right."

Cheers,

Michael

[BDS]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

That was one of the reasons why I could never understand the appeal of Forrest Gump. Gump was a "good person" for one reason only -- because he lacked the intellectual capacity to ever question whether or not what his mother taught him was right. Fortunately, she indoctrinated him with good values. But she could just as easily have turned him into a monster -- and he'd never have questioned that what she taught him was "right."

Cheers,

Michael

I don't buy it. Gump was a good person because he liked people. I doubt that his open, loving nature had much to do with his mom's "values" or her homilies. It may, however, have been something he learned from his mother, because she loved him so unconditionally.

Besides, Gump is no different from the rest of us in lacking the intellectual capacity to believe other than as we believe.

Nonetheless, I think someone should make the "Forrest Gump's Evil Twin" movie. Johnny Depp instead of Tom Hanks.

[The Lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by BDS

I don't buy it. Gump was a good person because he liked people. I doubt that his open, loving nature had much to do with his mom's "values" or her homilies. It may, however, have been something he learned from his mother, because she loved him so unconditionally.

Besides, Gump is no different from the rest of us in lacking the intellectual capacity to believe other than as we believe.

Nonetheless, I think someone should make the "Forrest Gump's Evil Twin" movie. Johnny Depp instead of Tom Hanks.

Maybe so. I only saw one time, years ago, and didn't much care for it. I seem to remember him justifying pretty-much every decision with "Momma always said ..." and him instantly and unquestioningly doing whatever anyone in a position of authority told him to do.

Regardless, it seemed pretty obvious that if his mother had taught him that black people were inferior, for example, he'd never have been able to examine that claim to judge whether or not it corresponded with reality, and would have accepted without question.

Cheers,

Michael

[BDS]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Regardless, it seemed pretty obvious that if his mother had taught him that black people were inferior, for example, he'd never have been able to examine that claim to judge whether or not it corresponded with reality, and would have accepted without question.

Cheers,

Michael

No doubt. However, despite his bigoted "beliefs" he probably would have treated black individuals in the same courteous, friendly, and non-judgmental way that he treated everyone else. I have a plan for a story in which the two rivals (maybe for a girl) are a southern bigot, and a northern egalitarian (we'll set it in the 60s). The bigot, despite holding prejudiced, wrong-headed beliefs is a kind, generous person. He may treat black people worse than he treats whites -- but he still treats them far BETTER than the egalitarian does. The egalitarian is a nasty egoist, whose intellectual correctness doesn't prevent him from treating everyone badly. Of course I have no hard evidence suggesting that values and beliefs are less important in terms of shaping the moral quality of one's behavior than something else -- something that used to be called "natural disposition'. It's an observation of mine, however. Also, we now recognize that "natural disposition" (or whatever we want to call it) is the result of nature and nurture -- it's just that it's not learned in the same way as "knowledge" is.

p.s. There are probably plenty of things I believe (and even some that you believe) that we believe because we have been taught they are true by people we trust. We can't (or don't) examine every mistaken claim. Most of what I believe about biology (for example) is what supposed experts have told me (you obviously have more hands on experience here -- but probably not in other fields).

[Shelli]

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[2grow]

This is what one of these scary critters say on another forum (RNR):

I see that "mankind" (whether this comprises one species, or several species of the same genus, I will use this term for the purposes of this discussion) is severely flawed. Most people are unintelligent, gullible, lacking in a profound sense of curiosity, petty, and so on. That includes White people, though in my view, White people are simply somewhat less lousy than the rest of "mankind," and so, for me, White Nationalism is but the beginning of eugenics. No doubt, there is a lot of culling of the herd to be done after racial separation is achieved.

I would think that someone of average intelligence, or higher, would take the hint that I am totally immune to forced shame, attempts to ostracize, peer pressure, and the like. However, many posters here behave as if they are going to hurt my feelings and make me say to myself "Gee, I really can't handle being hated by my fellow "human beings," so I am going to abandon my worldview and be just like them, watching "CSI" and ball games and doing all of the other inane things that they do." Nothing could be further from the truth. My goal is to reach out to likeminded White people. I spread my message as widely as I can. Most White people will reject what I have to say, at least now, while they are fat and comfortable, and I accept this. A few White people will listen, and a fraction of those White people will join me immediately, and a fraction will join me at a later time. When I die, I will die with a clear conscience, knowing that I did everything in my power to fight the Jews tooth-and-nail in their desire to exterminate my people from the earth, in their selfish quest for world domination.

Conservatism tends to attract people who are more mature, honest, and disciplined. They do suffer from meekness though, as Conservatives have essentially been on the retreat for the past 50 years throughout the West. Today, White conservatives shun "racism." In twenty years, it would not surprise me if the average White conservative considered the teaching of the acceptability of homosexuality and other "alternative lifestyles" to little Johnny and Sally, in both public and private schools, to be perfectly acceptable. Conservatives are the men in the white hats who fight fairly, and thus lose, while liberals recognize no honor and fight dirty, and thus win (albeit temporarily, before Nature steps in and annihilates them).

You, on the other hand, make idiotic jokes, use vulgar language against me, make up things about me and my family that no stranger could possibly know, and repeatedly give me negative reputation points (and sometimes positive points by mistake), and expect me to feel uncomfortable as a result of these tactics, but I am using this open letter to tell you that you are fools. Do you honestly think that I would be a White Nationalist and a National Socialist if I were that thin skinned? Know that I am willing to die for my cause, and for the future of my race, rather than fall into enemy hands, if my worldview is ever criminalized by ZOG. Debate me however you wish. No matter what, the right kind of White people who see the debates will agree with me, and the wrong kind of White people will agree with you. If you are a staff member who is reading this, and decide to ban me to hinder me in my endeavor, then know that you will be doing the equivalent of admitting to the right kind of White people here that you are wrong. Either way, you lose, and I win.

When will whites rise up and take back their homelands? Soon.

[ChuckF]

CT is back and on RnR?

[2grow]

it is a few weeks from prior, he is named Consistent thinker, very scary person.

is this man mentally sick maybe.