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As a public service, I am providing this thread as a catch-all for the nonsense that's been infecting all the actual science threads. This is how it works:
  1. Read this thread.
  2. Remember that it exists (this is important!).
  3. Read some other threads in this sub-forum. Try to learn something, if you can!
  4. When you read something that makes you go LOL WUT? SUN IZ NOT HELEEUM IZ APAULO'S MAGIC BUS!, this is the most important part, don't post in that thread.
  5. Open this thread back up.
  6. Post your very special story about the time you were molested by the Maxwell House demon in your sleep, thereby proving that coffee is made of evil, and the sun speaks to you by casting shadows across specific words in your Archie comics.
  7. Make sure to note that no one can prove that your explanation isn't the right one because, hey, magic!
  8. Wait for all your :ff: friends to drop by and tell you how wise and insightful you are to have seen through all those science conspiracy smoke and mirrors.

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So, does the paranormal exist? I understand that there is some question whether this is so, when they study sleep paralysis.

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Sleep paralysis is particularly frightening to the individual due to the vividness of such hallucinations[4]. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision. Some scientists have proposed this condition as a theory for alien abductions and ghostly encounters.[5]
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You are very wise and insightful.

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[*]Post your very special story about the time you were molested by the Maxwell House demon in your sleep, thereby proving that coffee is made of evil, and the sun speaks to you by casting shadows across specific words in your Archie comics.[/LIST]
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So, does the paranormal exist? I understand that there is some question whether this is so, when they study sleep paralysis.

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Sleep paralysis is particularly frightening to the individual due to the vividness of such hallucinations[4]. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision. Some scientists have proposed this condition as a theory for alien abductions and ghostly encounters.[5]
If we actually follow the citation, we find the following abstract:
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Sleep paralysis accompanied by hypnopompic ('upon awakening') hallucinations is an often-frightening manifestation of discordance between the cognitive/perceptual and motor aspects of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. Awakening sleepers become aware of an inability to move, and sometimes experience intrusion of dream mentation into waking consciousness (e.g. seeing intruders in the bedroom). In this article, we summarize two studies. In the first study, we assessed 10 individuals who reported abduction by space aliens and whose claims were linked to apparent episodes of sleep paralysis during which hypnopompic hallucinations were interpreted as alien beings. In the second study, adults reporting repressed, recovered, or continuous memories of childhood sexual abuse more often reported sleep paralysis than did a control group. Among the 31 reporting sleep paralysis, only one person linked it to abuse memories. This person was among the six recovered memory participants who reported sleep paralysis (i.e. 17% rate of interpreting it as abuse-related). People rely on personally plausible cultural narratives to interpret these otherwise baffling sleep paralysis episodes.
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Yes, in what is otherwise considered "baffling." To one or two of us, however, it may not be considered so baffling.
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You are very wise and insightful.
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Or, just better informed? :dunno:
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Yeah that's probably it.
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And ... one may never know.
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Once, the alien bounty hunter dude from The Last Starfighter totally looked in through my bedroom window and scared the crap out of me. I had just watched the movie before falling asleep, and then, bam, he was right there, I swear. I haven't played Space Invaders since, just in case.
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It's very wise and insightful to avoid Space Invaders. They gave me arthritis in my thumbs in 1979.
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Sleep paralysis accompanied by hypnopompic ('upon awakening') hallucinations is an often-frightening manifestation of discordance between the cognitive/perceptual and motor aspects of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. Awakening sleepers become aware of an inability to move, and sometimes experience intrusion of dream mentation into waking consciousness (e.g. seeing intruders in the bedroom). In this article, we summarize two studies. In the first study, we assessed 10 individuals who reported abduction by space aliens and whose claims were linked to apparent episodes of sleep paralysis during which hypnopompic hallucinations were interpreted as alien beings. In the second study, adults reporting repressed, recovered, or continuous memories of childhood sexual abuse more often reported sleep paralysis than did a control group. Among the 31 reporting sleep paralysis, only one person linked it to abuse memories. This person was among the six recovered memory participants who reported sleep paralysis (i.e. 17% rate of interpreting it as abuse-related). People rely on personally plausible cultural narratives to interpret these otherwise baffling sleep paralysis episodes. They never take these confabulated interpretations to resolve the bafflement, though -- that's not what "personally plausible" means or anything. So anyone who does happen to think his particular cultural narrative banishes the bafflement isn't merely one more storyteller telling one provincial story among many. No, he's better informed of the TROOF.
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^ pretty sure that's what they meant.
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Among the 31 reporting sleep paralysis, only one person linked it to abuse memories. This person was among the six recovered memory participants who reported sleep paralysis (i.e. 17% rate of interpreting it as abuse-related). People rely on personally plausible cultural narratives to interpret these otherwise baffling sleep paralysis episodes.
Sleep paralysis?

Can I still blame my sleep-walking on too much Maxwell House? How complicated does the narrative have to be? I usually take my coffee black.
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Among the 31 reporting sleep paralysis, only one person linked it to abuse memories. This person was among the six recovered memory participants who reported sleep paralysis (i.e. 17% rate of interpreting it as abuse-related). People rely on personally plausible cultural narratives to interpret these otherwise baffling sleep paralysis episodes.
Sleep paralysis?

Can I still blame my sleep-walking on too much Maxwell House? How complicated does the narrative have to be? I usually take my coffee black.
They can be very interesting since what it appears to be is a social mirror. The stories people concoct to explain the otherwise baffling experience is a mirror of society. And it is interesting that there are many people that still go with demons, whereas aliens is a more modern response.
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Hey, threadjacker, there's already a thread to talk about sleep paralysis. This is a thread to talk about magic.
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How wise and insightful you are, Adam.
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Among the 31 reporting sleep paralysis, only one person linked it to abuse memories. This person was among the six recovered memory participants who reported sleep paralysis (i.e. 17% rate of interpreting it as abuse-related). People rely on personally plausible cultural narratives to interpret these otherwise baffling sleep paralysis episodes.
Sleep paralysis?

Can I still blame my sleep-walking on too much Maxwell House? How complicated does the narrative have to be? I usually take my coffee black.
The more complicated the better. If possible, please also draw a moral lesson from your narrative.
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How wise and insightful you are, Adam.
If people aren't going to follow the rules, then we have chaos. People posting science in the magic thread, dogs and cats sleeping together, etc., etc., etc. Which reminds me, how come no one's ever seen a dog give birth to a cat? Explain that, science!
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It's very wise and insightful to avoid Space Invaders. They gave me arthritis in my thumbs in 1979.
If that was during puberty, it might not have been the Space Invaders.


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Once, the alien bounty hunter dude from The Last Starfighter totally looked in through my bedroom window and scared the crap out of me. I had just watched the movie before falling asleep, and then, bam, he was right there, I swear. I haven't played Space Invaders since, just in case.
I don't doubt that that happened a bit. But, you must understand that it was all in your head ... just, like everything else you experience. In other words how do you know the bugger wasn't really there?
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