Citizens vote for Constitutional Amendment?

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

That's what it says here:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 18 AMENDING AND REVISING THE CONSTITUTION

SEC. 3. The electors may amend the Constitution by initiative.

Oh, the tyranny!

If they so wish, they can make a horse a senator! By amendment.

[Ensign Steve]

Wow, that is awesome. No wonder pot is legal.

[D. Scarlatti]

This is the law in Minnesota:

During the time an election is being held it is a misdemeanor ... to be intoxicated in a polling place.

Not sure about CA.

[Ensign Steve]

Even if I'm not voting?

[D. Scarlatti]

Even if you're not in Minnesota!

[yguy]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

Could you clarify which is the minority and which is the majority here?

The minority are the people who are making the fantasy of "gay marriage" a reality, and exert their will through the courts because they don't have the numbers to pass legislation that suits them. The majority is everybody else; but of course what is confusing is that so many in the majority think their support of "gay marriage" is their own idea, oblivious as they are to the subtle, sugar-coated tyranny of having their common sense eased out ever so gently in favor of "social conscience".

[godfry n. glad]

Why isn't "common sense" in quotes, too?

[1Samuel8]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

Why isn't "common sense" in quotes, too?

-- because unlike "gay marriage" it is not one of whyguy's fantasies.

[GodPossessed]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

If they so wish, they can make a horse a senator! By amendment.

With just voting, you can get half a horse.

[Anastasia Beaverhausen]

Godfry, my county (Knox, TN) is also undergoing a recall/referendum.

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by GodPossessed

With just voting, you can get half a horse.

And we all know which half.

Why is it that every time we get a new half, it's always the same half?

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by Cynical-Chick

Godfry, my county (Knox, TN) is also undergoing a recall/referendum.

No doubt. I'd heard that our crackpot ideas had spread, but I didn't know that it had reached unto Knox.

What we call a 'referendum' is usually a piece of passed or proposed legislation, usually forwarded to a vote of the people by the legislature. We can tell when we have a chickenshit legislature by the sheer number of ballot measures that are measures referred by the state legislature.

Recalls are always bitter. It usually relies upon one loud splinter group thinking that they represent the majority of opinion and that they can stampede the voters to their position by voting time. The end result it that voters get yet another species of slime mold for a representative.

[GodPossessed]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

And we all know which half.

Why is it that every time we get a new half, it's always the same half?

They do something useful with the other half - they make glue.

[Sock Puppet]

It appears from Scarlatti's link that a California Constitution amendment-by-initiative requires just a simple majority to pass. That's some fucked-up shit right there. Having voted in California elections for a couple decades, I can confirm that any idiot can get an initiative on the ballot. Several idiots come out of the woodwork and do just that, every election cycle.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by yguy

The minority are the people who are making the fantasy of "gay marriage" a reality, and exert their will through the courts because they don't have the numbers to pass legislation that suits them. The majority is everybody else; but of course what is confusing is that so many in the majority think their support of "gay marriage" is their own idea, oblivious as they are to the subtle, sugar-coated tyranny of having their common sense eased out ever so gently in favor of "social conscience".

Yet again yguy reveals his ignorance.

The California legislature passed laws legalizing same-sex marriage twice, which by definition means that they do have the numbers to pass the legislation that suits them. Both were vetoed by Gov Schwarzenegger, who actually thought it more appropriate that the courts decide the issue rather than the legislature. While he vetoed that legislation, he does not support Proposition 8.

Prop. 8 is expected to fail, based on the poll numbers giving the opposition a 17 pt lead (that is, 55% say they intend to vote against it, 38% intend to vote for it and 7% are undecided).

So given that the legislature passed same-sex marriage laws twice, the courts ruled in favor of same-sex marriage, the governor supports keeping gay marriage legal, and the polls indicate that the population supports keeping gay marriage legal... I do believe that the people who are opposed to same-sex marriage are the minority in California. There is no sneaky exploitation of the government by the "Gay Agenda" to do this.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by erimir

Prop. 8 is expected to fail, based on the poll numbers giving the opposition a 17 pt lead (that is, 55% say they intend to vote against it, 38% intend to vote for it and 7% are undecided).

Oh good. I still don't have to go vote.

[Ensign Steve]

I'm sorry. I don't vote. It would have to take something rly rly important* to get me to go. I didn't even vote to legalize pot.

* rly rly important and my side was in danger of losing.

Fortunately I live in a hippy liberal state where most everybody already votes my way on the shit I care about.

[erimir]

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

Fortunately I live in a hippy liberal state where most everybody already votes my way on the shit I care about.

"First, they came for the...."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by erimir

Yet again yguy reveals his ignorance.

The California legislature passed laws legalizing same-sex marriage twice, which by definition means that they do have the numbers to pass the legislation that suits them. Both were vetoed by Gov Schwarzenegger, who actually thought it more appropriate that the courts decide the issue rather than the legislature. While he vetoed that legislation, he does not support Proposition 8.

Prop. 8 is expected to fail, based on the poll numbers giving the opposition a 17 pt lead (that is, 55% say they intend to vote against it, 38% intend to vote for it and 7% are undecided).

So given that the legislature passed same-sex marriage laws twice, the courts ruled in favor of same-sex marriage, the governor supports keeping gay marriage legal, and the polls indicate that the population supports keeping gay marriage legal... I do believe that the people who are opposed to same-sex marriage are the minority in California. There is no sneaky exploitation of the government by the "Gay Agenda" to do this.

No, no, you're missing his point. The evil ghey minority has used their magic ghey voodoo to brainwash the majority into voting against their own common sense. So, even though a majority supports it, they're still a minority because...Hey!...what's that over there?

"First, they came for the...."

Isn't what ES is saying more a case of "First, they didn't come for the..."?