Women's Rights, Equality and Politics

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by Sweetie

I think what benefits women, men and children is what benefits women, men and children. I don't know that we disagree.

We don't. I am a humanist as well. I consider feminism a subset of humanism, so we don't disagree there, either.

And you can prove that there is no other reason for that other than because of gender inequality?

I can evidence it, if you'd like. There are many studies regarding pay and promotion disparities between the genders in all kinds of fields.

By women or men?

Both in many cases. I think it's an unfair societal dictate.

I would argue that abortion laws deny people their basic right to life which is more important

We disagree on this issue for two reasons.
1. Our definitions of personhood are different
2. Our feelings regarding the rights of persons are different

but who am I to really have an opinion on that that disagrees with you on that matter.

You can certainly disagree with me on the abortion issue and have your own opinion, that is your right as a person and a woman. I am not sure why you threw this in.

Yeah, I think that sucks though I consider women persons and therefore humanism should be fighting that fight.

True, but women and children suffer disproportionately, and "humanism" doesn't seem to have much hold in our political arena.

My problem is that in this case you have defined feminism at least by a Pro-Choice stance.

No, I didn't. I gave you an example of some laws that go against women's self determination.

See, we're having problems with definitions, I wonder if you could help me with that so that I can say whether or not I'm feminist.

I defined it for you. How you read into it is your choice.

Here it is again. "My idea of feminism is self-determination, and it's very open-ended: every woman has the right to become herself, and do whatever she needs to do. "

If you need to be pro-life, I support your right to hold that opinion. If you want to be a stay at home mom, I support that too. I support your right to do and think as you want.