Transformers Mafia - Game Thread - Page 43

Contrapposto · #**1051** 03-13-2010, 04:10 AM

Dl...answer to your question: 'jester'

Perhaps on Crumbs post just above but there are several scenarios possible here and I think that fact is being exploited by someone in all this. I am admittedly a little pissed about this move (as pissed as one can be in a game anyway) because I dont see how it benefits town even with good intentions. Either a scummy move or a fuck up in judgement, imo.
I am thinking Gonzo came out with the intention of trying to rectify the situation. I don't think he would if he were scum (maybe feeling he was getting ready to call bs on some people). So at this point I suspect him the least in all this.

Both Adam and Slim would have to be telling the truth for Crumb to be cleared, imo.

I feel Kael may have been less trying to cover for slim than he was for Crumb as he stepped in around the time everyone was getting 'Crumb happy'...stopping the 'pile on'.

Contrapposto · #**1052** 03-13-2010, 04:52 AM

Also this, taken directly from mafiawiki, could explain Adam's claim exactly regarding the "blast of energy" which sounded slightly vague.

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed)."

Contrapposto · #**1053** 03-13-2010, 05:08 AM

ANOTHER option (sorry if you are getting tired of me...catching up for lost time).

Yet another option regarding liv still being alive and Demi being dead...

ELITE BODYGUARD

A role that kills the attacker of the protected player (also known as Elite Bodyguard).

In other words if one of these is in the game, though rare, Demi could have been killed by someone guarding liv. This does not confirm or deny the innocence/guilt of liv however because a town bodyguard can unwittingly protect scum.

If they exist then they might want to investigate why Demi suspected liv. This is not a scum role according to wiki.

Just putting my research out there.

Gonzo · #**1054** 03-13-2010, 05:10 AM

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3) Why have Gonzo and Kael not given names (full claim)?..suspicious but I think only one 'might' be scum. We could have a combination of paranoid or naive cop and witnesses(s).

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I will honestly say that there would be no way to start this massive role claiming runaway train witout exposing roles and vulnerabilities (limitations on actions) of one or more autobots...valuable info for decepticons.

Some information of my role makes me a little weary about a full-claim, Contra, and for just that reason- all information is as valuable to scum as it is to the town. A full-reveal would be unnessecary in the situation of investigating another player. I am merely offering the information from a night action of mine. I would not in the least be fair at all fair to me or the town to ask for a full claim. Nor is it strategic. The same is applied to Kael as well. Nobody should be demanding a full claim for either of us when two have already claimed on Day 2. that was just stupid of them and is going to get them both killed if they are auto. If you ask me this is just two experienced players making a mockery of the game because they are bored being autobots.

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Still waiting for Gonzo and Kael to give more info.

Still high. :joint:

Deadlokd · #**1055** 03-13-2010, 06:12 AM

Without a full claim your claim of a night action is very suspicious. All we need is a name.

beyelzu · #**1056** 03-13-2010, 06:16 AM

Megs warned us against a mass role claim, I suspect that there could be mechanisms in place for fucking such. I would think people should reserve their name for a very important situation.

Crumb · #**1057** 03-13-2010, 06:19 AM

Gonzo and Kael: PLEASE MAKE A FULL CLAIM! :whup:

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Both Adam and Slim would have to be telling the truth for Crumb to be cleared, imo.

The way I see it if they are both telling the truth I took a shot at liv and Adam mistook me for Slim. How the hell would that clear me? If Adam is lying and Slim is telling the truth then slim hid behind me and Kael's read hit me instead of Slim and then Kael saw me doing nothing in the night. If Slim's lying then you don't know shit about me.

Crumb · #**1058** 03-13-2010, 06:20 AM

We aren't making a mass role claim, but if a player is going to claim to have an ability they should make a full claim so we have more information to validate the truth of their claims.

Gonzo · #**1059** 03-13-2010, 06:20 AM

You are asking for more than a name! What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

But seriously. If I gave away my name alone, I would give away a surmisable amount of information to the Decepticons as well as to the Autobots.

Crumb · #**1060** 03-13-2010, 06:22 AM

So there is something about your role or allegiance you are not telling us? You are already claiming special so you already have a scum target on your back. (though there are so many now your odds are good)

Deadlokd · #**1061** 03-13-2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

Megs warned us against a mass role claim, I suspect that there could be mechanisms in place for fucking such. I would think people should reserve their name for a very important situation.

We're not asking for a mass role claim, just more details from the people who have claimed information overnight. I think this is the fifth (?) claim from night actions. That's less than half the field.

Deadlokd · #**1062** 03-13-2010, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

You are asking for more than a name! What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

But seriously. If I gave away my name alone, I would give away a surmisable amount of information to the Decepticons as well as to the Autobots.

Well yes, but otherwise we're probably going to have to lynch you for lying. Look, you're halfway there, you claimed special, you already have a target on your back. Claim for Town.

Gonzo · #**1063** 03-13-2010, 06:25 AM

I will say that I have more than one night action. Meaning that I can choose from a list of commands and decide whether or not to use that function that night. To go any further would compromise any night action I intend to make.

Deadlokd · #**1064** 03-13-2010, 06:27 AM

Are you....Optimus Prime?

Deadlokd · #**1065** 03-13-2010, 06:28 AM

Never mind, don't answer that. I'll trust that you know what you're doing for now. So why view Kael?

Gonzo · #**1066** 03-13-2010, 06:42 AM

From post #1013

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Kael and Gonzo, why did you make the night view choices you claim to have made?

I was suspicious of Kael for the majority of Day 1 and though I decided not to vote for him, I hadn't felt like I should have let him off the hook completely. The main reason I was gunning for him then was because of his low post count. I figured that besides a style of gameplay, he was probalay decepticon or (hoping to clear my conscience) a role-autobot trying to hide away. I was confirmed neither by reading his actions.

Kael · #**1067** 03-13-2010, 06:57 AM

Just got home, a lot to catch up on. I just did a quick scan, so sorry if I missed anything.

First off, yes I will make a full roleclaim, as it seems eminently necessary for anyone to take my night action results seriously in this fucked-up mess. The only reason I didn't earlier was to fuck with Adam, but I'm sorry I didn't as it left the door open for Gonzo's bullshit claim.

I am Bumblebee. Yes. The gold bug himself, motherfuckers. I can, as I stated earlier, observed someone at night and am supposed to learn what action(s) they take and what action(s) are performed on them. From my message I have no reason to believe that I learn who the targets and/or perpetrators of these actions are, though obviously my first try doesn't tell me one way or the other.

There's my role-claim, I dare any of you lying scum to counter-claim me. Do it. Get me lynched see yourself hang the next day for sure. Especially you, Gonzo. Of all the claims made today, yours smells the worst.

beyelzu · #**1068** 03-13-2010, 07:01 AM

I am iffy on Gonzo's claim cuz I can't think of an autobot who would have multiple powers but a decepticon springs right to mind.

beyelzu · #**1069** 03-13-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kael

Just got home, a lot to catch up on. I just did a quick scan, so sorry if I missed anything.

First off, yes I will make a full roleclaim, as it seems eminently necessary for anyone to take my night action results seriously in this fucked-up mess. The only reason I didn't earlier was to fuck with Adam, but I'm sorry I didn't as it left the door open for Gonzo's bullshit claim.

I am Bumblebee. Yes. The gold bug himself, motherfuckers. I can, as I stated earlier, observed someone at night and am supposed to learn what action(s) they take and what action(s) are performed on them. From my message I have no reason to believe that I learn who the targets and/or perpetrators of these actions are, though obviously my first try doesn't tell me one way or the other.

There's my role-claim, I dare any of you lying scum to counter-claim me. Do it. Get me lynched see yourself hang the next day for sure. Especially you, Gonzo. Of all the claims made today, yours smells the worst.

did he explain why you bumblebee would have such a power?

Kael · #**1070** 03-13-2010, 07:09 AM

Indeed.

Let me see if I can rephrase it to avoid repeating the heinous crime of quoting him...

I'm small and sneaky. It seems size does matter...

Gonzo · #**1071** 03-13-2010, 07:10 AM

Kael I do not see why you are taking this so hard. I'm okay with you making a full-claim, it's helpful, but I have already said that a full-claim would allow everybody in on actions I should not be exploiting. What those night actions are is besides the point at this time in the game. If you honestly are Bumble-Bee, I want to work with you to figure out the whole story - otherwise it's a bandwagon between us two. Doesn't it seem like someone who preformed a night action last night is keeping it to themselves (ie the shot taken at liv, the problematic investigating). If Kael is Bumble-Bee, then that would mean he is telling the truth and somebody would have had to block me.

Kael · #**1072** 03-13-2010, 07:24 AM

Oh, I'm not taking it personal or anything. I just think your entire claim is full of shit and it would take a great deal to convince me otherwise. If it wasn't for the simple fact that I have no reason to believe Adam isn't lying I would be voting for you instead of slimshady. Maybe that's a bit of an overreaction, but right now my bet is that you have some role that benefits from sowing confusion and decided the best way to do so was to completely copy someone else's roleclaim. In a game that's already this complicated, I just don't want to deal with more layers of complication made up for fun or profit.

Gonzo · #**1073** 03-13-2010, 07:57 AM

I can understand that much. Either way, I am in a position to hold my tongue concerning my full role in this game.

Contrapposto · #**1074** 03-13-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Contrapposto

Dl...answer to your question: 'jester'

Perhaps on Crumbs post just above but there are several scenarios possible here and I think that fact is being exploited by someone in all this. I am admittedly a little pissed about this move (as pissed as one can be in a game anyway) because I dont see how it benefits town even with good intentions. Either a scummy move or a fuck up in judgement, imo.
I am thinking Gonzo came out with the intention of trying to rectify the situation. I don't think he would if he were scum (maybe feeling he was getting ready to call bs on some people). So at this point I suspect him the least in all this.

Both Adam and Slim would have to be telling the truth for Crumb to be cleared, imo.

I feel Kael may have been less trying to cover for slim than he was for Crumb as he stepped in around the time everyone was getting 'Crumb happy'...stopping the 'pile on'.

In response to Crumb's post (#1057) I made typo....the bold should have definitely read "scum". ...wish we had a shake 'no edits' smiley.

Contrapposto · #**1075** 03-13-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kael

Oh, I'm not taking it personal or anything. I just think your entire claim is full of shit and it would take a great deal to convince me otherwise. If it wasn't for the simple fact that I have no reason to believe Adam isn't lying I would be voting for you instead of slimshady. Maybe that's a bit of an overreaction, but right now my bet is that you have some role that benefits from sowing confusion and decided the best way to do so was to completely copy someone else's roleclaim. In a game that's already this complicated, I just don't want to deal with more layers of complication made up for fun or profit.

Are you suggesting that Gonzo is a 'jester', Kael?

A 'jester' is essentially a scum-role who 'wins' when he gets himself lynched.