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Why cleared? Are you just basing that on his claim?
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Dl - extremely mild / cleared (why so argumentative?)
Why cleared? He's made a claim that's not easily verifiable, that he knows is possibly effectively useless now and, thus, easy to fake, and made a couple of confusing/confused statements as to how it actually works.

Tbh, at this point the only person I have pseudo-cleared is bey, because his action claim is easily verifiable, and I'm fairly certain that his Optimus character claim is more likely to be in the game than a safeclaim.
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Gonzo's the "flavor cop"

cleared
Again a claim should not clear someone. Anyone can make a claim and scum will. Like Slim did.
True. But it is possible because it does line up with the story.
Gonzo 'disrupted' during his action; Kael seeing no action because Megatron (slim) does not make direct actions.
Besides...why would Gonzo come in to FOS Kael if he were scum...when Kael claimed seeing no actions performed unless he found it fishy and thought at the time Kael was lying...Kael's report at the time was lining up with slim's story.

Also..."cleared" could change with any new information or found inconsistancies in the story / game form. I haven't found any.
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Not to answer for Crumb, but when I say "cleared" I mean that I have cleared them in my own fevered head and not necessarily everybody is going to agree.
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Ooh, I mean not to speak for Contrapposto.

Really, not to speak for anybody but myself.
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:53 PM
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Why cleared? He's made a claim that's not easily verifiable, that he knows is possibly effectively useless now and, thus, easy to fake, and made a couple of confusing/confused statements as to how it actually works.
Holy shit! Did I mis that post???
I will read back. Sorry if I did.
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Old 03-17-2010, 06:06 PM
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Well fuck! seems I missed an entire page!

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I'm Hound. I can detect the cerebro shell. I viewed Demi on night one and she was clean. That was a relief during the talk about insane views on day 2. Last night I viewed JA and saw no sign of the shell.
Dl. Could you explain this "cerebro shell" a bit better than you did...and in one post? My brain is mush right now (no coffee...all out and payday is tomorrow...today will SUCK...my head already hurts!).
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Oh right Dl claimed cult cop. I thought I was forgetting a claim.

I'd like more input from bey and Adam on suspects since they are most likely autobots.
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cerebro shell is what Leesifer was going to use to control her "recruits"
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cerebro shell is what Leesifer was going to use to control her "recruits"
Then why is that a good thing exactly?
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Old 03-17-2010, 06:15 PM
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cerebro shell is what Leesifer was going to use to control her "recruits"
Then why is that a good thing exactly?
Dl is claiming to be a "cult cop", IOW, he is claiming (to the extent that he even appeared to know what he was claiming) that he can detect who has and has not been recruited to Lees' cult. I.e., he targets me and, if Lees has recruited me, he gets told that I am carrying a cerebro shell and, thus, he knows that I have been recruited.
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And where is this "bolt of energy" coming from regardless of whether or not liv protected herself?
The ONLY theory that could work is bey's: That Megatron (slim) used Crumb as a 'gun' and therefore Megatron (slim) took no action but the 'gun' did. It does not make sense however that slim would 'hide' behind Crumb..thus implicating him UNLESS he were being really 'shaddy' and clue-like in the fact that he was 'hiding'...behind a 'gun'.

This would make Adam, slim, and Crumb scum team. If crumb were lynched..slim and Adam would be cleared. If Adam was lynched (the lowest of the options) they lose a scum but possibly stay cleared. Slim getting lynched taking a parting 'fuck you' shot - killing one of our own AND one at nightfall (2 for 1...hurting our numbers).

This however is so freaking elaborate that I don't even want to entertain it...but possible? Opinions?
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Adam could still be innocent in the gun scenario though
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Seems to be too many investigators however all of them have a unique ability addressing a different aspect of the game so it's not impossible.
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Adam could still be innocent in the gun scenario though
He could have seen the "bolt of energy" coming from Crumb. Could have been a slim/crumb thing..it only takes two to tango.
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I'd like more input from bey and Adam on suspects since they are most likely autobots.
I'm workin' on it. Problem is, all my early suspects (except you :tmwink: ) are dead, so I'm having go back and reread people I was not initially suspicious of more carefully. Srsly, my Day 1 suspect list was slim, Kael, Demi, and Lees. I CONTROL WHO LIVES OR DIES WITH MAH MIND!
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Slim wasn't hiding behind anyone. That was a lie.
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The leader of the Decepticons lied to us?! Well I never! :ohno:
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what if slim being megatron was used for the kill but took no action himself. there are different kinds of trackers and watchers. they can see different kinds of things.
It would be nice to see if Adam can give us any more detail about that bolt of energy. Maybe it's phrased carefully to be compatible with the circumstance that someone else used slim as a weapon, or whatever? Obviously gotta be careful about quoting.

bey: Is your lynch-stop a night action, undoing the lynch? Or is it a day action? I'm confused about how this works, because if you had to PM Megatron every time there was a lynch to say whether you wanted to stop it, then he couldn't post the death scene right away...

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I may have...does a grenade count as a gadget? She may have had block as one of her JoaT powers, and she was suspicious of me yesterday.
Well that was night two. I'm specifically interested in night one here.

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JA - I suspect for hunting for 'protector' / 'vig' roles (a scum tactic)
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With all that is going on can't you find something to talk about JA?
I've been quite involved in the discussion ever since Adam roleclaimed.
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Slim wasn't hiding behind anyone. That was a lie.
The hide was an implication...a metaphor if you will that you were interposed between scum and autobot. I could envision one giving a half-truth to give the appearance of implacating you thus clearing you should he be found guilty. Still qualifies as a lie on slim's part.
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I'd like more input from bey and Adam on suspects since they are most likely autobots.
7 suspects left, not counting myself:

bey - Almost certainly what he claims to be. His ability claim is easily verified, making it a bad choice to lie about.

Crumb - I still think his Day 2 posts scream "I'm in ur garbage, pickin' out ur dead gais!", but I'm not entirely certain that's a bad thing. My concern was based on the idea that the garbage collector would inherit Lees' cult leader role but, since there was another collection last night, then whoever is taking out the trash either a) does not inherit roles, b) chose not to recruit last night or c) can both collect and use an inherited role. Maybe, to be on the safe side, Deadlokd should scan Crumb for cult membership tonight? I'll eat my robot hat if you aren't somehow involved in the trash removal, but I'm unsure if that makes you friendly or scummy.

Gonzo - His read on Kael is goofy. Yesterday, I was vacillating between thinking he was obviously lying and thinking that it would be so stupid for him to lie given the circumstances that he was probably telling the truth. I'm sort of leaning more towards town today, because of his full roleclaim and his supposed read on Crumb.

I'm trying to think up scenarios where his read on Kael would be accurate, and the only thing I can come up with that explains all the variables is that either Kael had a particular flavor of insanity, or some Decepticon has a power, that caused him to take no action but think he had.

So, leaning town, but it's really iffy and dependent on what he says Crumb is. I'm inclined to say that, unless we learn something juicy tonight, we have them out tomorrow.

Deadlokd - I'm not sure. Prior to today, I didn't have an opinion, but the clumsy role reveal, with the apparent misunderstanding of how the role actually works, sort of leads me to believe that he hasn't actually used that role, and was just trying to spin a tale based on his safeclaim. The only thing making me less suspicious is that it would be sort of odd for Megatron to signal to the scum team that there was a cult by giving them a safeclaim that knows about the cult. So, leaning scum on Dl, but iffy.

ES - Voted slim on Day 1, but backed off because (she explicitly said) he was close to a lynch, then said that he was "sorta clear" because the tenor of his protestations remained the same as his bandwagon grew. Later, asked what the point of voting for him was, since he'd already been to L-2 once and didn't crack.

On the other hand, she went through a similar arc with Kael, although she did not later discourage others for voting him.

Also, I've thought that this:

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I'm painting a target on my back by saying this, but my guess is everyone is slightly special in some way. Someone (ironically, I think it was The Man) said last game that probably everyone is special, and since I was vanilla I thought, "You fool! Now we know you are!" This time I'm playing the fool and saying it myself.
...had "town special" written all over it since I first read it, so ES has been pseudoclear for me, at least subconsciously, since Day 1. I sort of hesitated to bring it back up but, at this point, I think it's pretty clear that everybody is special.

So, leaning town, but the Day 1 thing with slim is worth bearing in mind, IMO.


JA - Leaning town. I didn't get the "fishing for the doctor" vibe others claim to have seen. I do have to ask, JA, did you get a gadget form liv?

Contra - He's all over the place, and a newb, which usually makes me lean town. He's made a couple of transparently bad arguments, though, primarily on Day 1, which sort of smell like attempts to get a bandwagon going, so I dunno. I'm not leaning either way, he has a posting style that, like Gonzo's, I find difficult to read.

SO, I guess there's really only one person I'm leaning scum on, Dl, but it's not even a strong lean.

I'm thinking bey's idea is looking pretty good. let's work out what to do tonight and then lynch someone that bey can undo. Here, I'll start us:

vote: Adam

As for suggested night moves, I already mentioned Dl scanning Crumb. Any other suggestions? I was thinking I'd watch Gonzo to see if he really did deploy a drone or whatever.
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With all that is going on can't you find something to talk about JA?
I've been quite involved in the discussion ever since Adam roleclaimed.
Actually, you are right. I looked over your posts and you have been quite involved.
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Also, just in case it needs to be said, let's not everybody pile on until we've a) agreed that the beyplan is a good one and b) fully discussed suggestions for night moves.
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Snerk! Self vote? You're so weird.

I already suspected you might have some kind of weird win condition, but Jester? I don't think so. :nuh-uh:

I asked bey if he can just declare nightfall whenever, but he hasn't answered. I hope we don't actually have to run somebody up to a lynch to get to the night moves.
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I thought he said at some point that he had to let the hammer fall first.
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