LotR Mafia - Game Thread - Page 62

slimshady2357 · #**1526** 06-06-2010, 07:49 PM

1. livius drusus
2. Crumb
3. Sock Puppet
4. slim -- Gandalf
5. wei yau
6. Nightson
7. beyelzu
8. fragment
9. Kael -- Nazgul
10. Deadlokd
11. Demi -- not Nazgul
12. Gonzo
13. Megatron
14. Chris Porter
15. BrotherMan

With 9 left we have 6 unknowns.

Deadlokd
Gonzo
Chris Porter
fragment
sock
bey

As well as that, all we know about demi is that she is not-scum. That doesn't mean she isn't indy with a non-town win condition. Wait, she did say she viewed Broman night 1 and that seems to be backed up. Does that mean she must be hobbit? It might mean that actually.

I will likely be killed tonight, hopefully that will be the only death and a hobbit will be spared.

I viewed Kael because I believed Nightson and I'm glad I did. Kael is scum, but once again we don't need to lynch him super-quick.

Kael · #**1527** 06-06-2010, 08:19 PM

I think you need to get that crystal ball of yours checked my old friend. Do not put your faith so boldly in an instrument that the Wise fear to trust and the Enemy possesses. If I fall today to your knives and your hubris, it's one body closer to victory for the Enemy.

fragment · #**1528** 06-06-2010, 11:13 PM

vote Kael

Deadlokd · #**1529** 06-06-2010, 11:43 PM

I'm good with that.

vote Kael.

fragment · #**1530** 06-07-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slimshady2357

As well as that, all we know about demi is that she is not-scum. That doesn't mean she isn't indy with a non-town win condition. Wait, she did say she viewed Broman night 1 and that seems to be backed up. Does that mean she must be hobbit? It might mean that actually.

It's possible a non-hobbit with the ring still gets the view power and that she chose to use it to help town. But that's a question for later. We wipe out the nazgul first, and then we either win or we know there's some other threat.

fragment · #**1531** 06-07-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by slimshady2357

With 9 left we have 6 unknowns.

Let's say we have Boromir, Legolas and Gimli. That would leave only 3 unknowns, of which I'd expect there to be at least one more nazgul. That leaves only one or two hobbits.

The assumptions could be wrong, but they're plausible, and if true we're perilously close to not being able to win.

Also, should we wait until Demi is back before ending the day? It was a shame y'all decided to end the last day so soon, we could have minimised the impact of not having her around.

Kael · #**1532** 06-07-2010, 01:08 AM

I see no reason to continue this charade any longer. The Wise are indeed among you, and not just that child of the line of Isildur who got himself killed for nothing, or my old friend Gandalf the Grey. I am the head of the White Council and the Istari, that the elves call Curunír. I am Saruman, no longer the White, but of Many Colors.

Of course, I think you are all fools. We cannot triumph against this power in the East, against this Enemy. Our only hope is to assist its dominion over Middle Earth, to be its servants, and rewarded for our efforts. The only power in the world will be the power it grants when it claims victory, and it will claim victory.

I, too, possess one of the lost Seeing Stones, a Palantir. Unlike my former colleague, however, I possess greater wisdom of its use. What one sees is not always what it appears. The first evening I viewed BrotherMan and he appeared as one of the servants of Lord Sauron. I am not so proud that I cannot admit surprise when he revealed himself as the Heir of Isildur. The second evening I also viewed Crumb and was also told he was a servant of the Dark. That is why I attempted to sway people toward his accuser, slim, who is fool enough to think he can best the Lord of Mordor. When it became clear that my powers of persuasion are not what they used to be, I thought it best to appear on your side.

Last night I viewed beyelzu. His constant accusations, not too far from the truth, prompted me to investigate him. He did not appear to be a Nazgul. I am, needless to say, uncertain if this is the truth or another illusion.

I tell you all this for two reasons. If you slay me today you only help your Enemy. My service is rendered, my sacrifice given. I shall be rewarded. It is you that shall suffer from my demise. Finally, as a last gesture of kindness. That old fool you follow always believes he understands more than he does. Do not so blindly trust him. He will lead you to your end.

fragment · #**1533** 06-07-2010, 01:39 AM

Who do you win with, Saruman? Why would you offer to help us if you win with the nazgul? From memory, your skill is with words, to twist a fair truth into a foul-seeming thing. Why should we believe your information on your palantir views?

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Originally Posted by fragment

That leaves only one or two hobbits.

I forgot to include Demi in this, but with Saruman amongst us, we still end up with one or two hobbits.

Deadlokd · #**1534** 06-07-2010, 02:57 AM

What is alarming here is the small pool of people Demi could have given the ring to.

I'd like to hear from Gonzo, CP, Sack and bey. Especially CP who has been so quiet I almost forget she is playing the game.

S.Vashti · #**1535** 06-07-2010, 03:12 AM

I've been missing because I took a road trip to New York for my niece's wedding. I'm back now.

I've already outed myself, I can do no more than that. I'm a hobbit, and I'm OK. I sleep all night and I eat all day. I cut down orcs, I smoke my pipe, I dress in plain clothing. On most days, I go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea.

beyelzu · #**1536** 06-07-2010, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kael

I see no reason to continue this charade any longer. The Wise are indeed among you, and not just that child of the line of Isildur who got himself killed for nothing, or my old friend Gandalf the Grey. I am the head of the White Council and the Istari, that the elves call Curunír. I am Saruman, no longer the White, but of Many Colors.

Of course, I think you are all fools. We cannot triumph against this power in the East, against this Enemy. Our only hope is to assist its dominion over Middle Earth, to be its servants, and rewarded for our efforts. The only power in the world will be the power it grants when it claims victory, and it will claim victory.

I, too, possess one of the lost Seeing Stones, a Palantir. Unlike my former colleague, however, I possess greater wisdom of its use. What one sees is not always what it appears. The first evening I viewed BrotherMan and he appeared as one of the servants of Lord Sauron. I am not so proud that I cannot admit surprise when he revealed himself as the Heir of Isildur. The second evening I also viewed Crumb and was also told he was a servant of the Dark. That is why I attempted to sway people toward his accuser, slim, who is fool enough to think he can best the Lord of Mordor. When it became clear that my powers of persuasion are not what they used to be, I thought it best to appear on your side.

Last night I viewed beyelzu. His constant accusations, not too far from the truth, prompted me to investigate him. He did not appear to be a Nazgul. I am, needless to say, uncertain if this is the truth or another illusion.

I tell you all this for two reasons. If you slay me today you only help your Enemy. My service is rendered, my sacrifice given. I shall be rewarded. It is you that shall suffer from my demise. Finally, as a last gesture of kindness. That old fool you follow always believes he understands more than he does. Do not so blindly trust him. He will lead you to your end.

So slim's view is wrong but you are indeed a traitor. Yay me. If kael is telling the truth though, slim's views are not to be trusted. This is all very interesting. I will be on more tomorrow, I just got done working 10 hours and I am going to spend the evening with my wife.

beyelzu · #**1537** 06-07-2010, 04:12 AM

and though he cleared me, no idea why he did that, vote kael

either he is nazgul as slim says or a traitor as I have said for most of the game.

fragment · #**1538** 06-07-2010, 04:20 AM

Is it possible that the nazgul also have a palantir and can somehow misrepresent some, but not all, of the views? I'm not sure how that would work. I'm not inclined to believe much that Kael just said, but it seems like bizarre stuff to just make up, so there may be some grains of truth, too. And even if he's just told the complete truth, there's no reason to believe he will keep doing so.

Whichever way he's not pro-town and I'm happy to lynch him unless someone suggests a good reason not to.

Kael · #**1539** 06-07-2010, 04:28 AM

I was trying to make two points with that post. First, slim's views obviously can't be fully trusted since I'm not, you know, a Nazgul. Might be important. Second, I still count as town, whatever my motivations and goals, so lynching me only brings the Nazgul one body closer to victory. Considering how many hobbits have dropped already, how few possibly remain, that only one Nazgul has been felled yet, and that killing me right now brings you no new information, is that a risk you can afford to take?

fragment · #**1540** 06-07-2010, 04:44 AM

In what sense do you count as town, and how do you know that? You may count as town in terms of whether the Nazgul outnumber the rest of us and win, but that's not the real threat right now. The main threat is running out of hobbits. Presumably you don't count as town in terms of being one of the threats to town that have to be eliminated.

Gonzo · #**1541** 06-07-2010, 05:03 AM

vote slim cool with Kael's defence.

fragment · #**1542** 06-07-2010, 05:26 AM

What? Even if you believe Kael that doesn't make slim scum.

Gonzo · #**1543** 06-07-2010, 05:36 AM

But he is saying he read Kael as a Nazgul. If I believe Kael, shouldn't I distrust slim?

Kael · #**1544** 06-07-2010, 05:47 AM

On that note I should say I don't actually know anything about slim. His view, or claimed view, of Crumb certainly seemed on the mark, but his view of me is not. That's all I know right now. Should I survive I will certainly give him a look with my Palantir, but as I've said I know they are not trustworthy devices.

fragment · #**1545** 06-07-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

But he is saying he read Kael as a Nazgul. If I believe Kael, shouldn't I distrust slim?

And Kael read BrotherMan as a Nazgul, so if you believe Kael you have to accept the palantir are unreliable. That means a false view from slim doesn't make slim scum.

Gonzo · #**1546** 06-07-2010, 05:52 AM

So you are more inclined to believe slim is recieving false read and not lying?

Gonzo · #**1547** 06-07-2010, 05:54 AM

sorry I'm going to read over this a few more times unvote I'm jumping to conclusions

fragment · #**1548** 06-07-2010, 05:54 AM

What are the chances that Kael is actually a Nazgul and this is a weird gambit? I have trouble seeing what he could be trying to achieve with that, though.

BrotherMan · #**1549** 06-07-2010, 07:48 AM

Sorry for the delay. I just rode into town and got caught up.

I am deeply saddened that the sins of my fathers will now never be redeemed. The One Ring casts a pall over all of us. You may win this battle and the Ring may yet find its way into the fires of Mount Doom, but for me and mine, the War will forever be lost.

beyelzu · #**1550** 06-07-2010, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fragment

In what sense do you count as town, and how do you know that? You may count as town in terms of whether the Nazgul outnumber the rest of us and win, but that's not the real threat right now. The main threat is running out of hobbits. Presumably you don't count as town in terms of being one of the threats to town that have to be eliminated.

Traitors generally count as town for victory conditions. In most mafia games, the scum win when they have equal numbers as the town, hypothetically, if there are say 2 mafia and 2 townies left, the mafia would win. For the purposes of calculation traitors generally count as town for the math.