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07-13-2011, 05:32 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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I said I believe having a public education option is important in a Democratic society...there will always be people with no other means of receiving a basic education. That says nothing of my assessment of any specific set of policies or methods used in providing a public system, nor did I say it should be the only option.
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I contend that as a society we can pay for the education of those that can not. |
And who would run this private educational system?
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07-13-2011, 05:35 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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And who would run this private educational system?
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The same types of people that run our food distribution system. We get lots of variety, much high quality, at a historically low cost.
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07-13-2011, 05:37 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Have you met parents?
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Right, you advocate the State assuming the parental role based upon the expressed thoughts of some on the internets. |
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And who would run this private educational system?
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The same types of people that run our food distribution system. We get lots of variety, much high quality, at a historically low cost. |
And how much would the market pay teachers and how would parents pay for the educational systems that has snapped up the best teachers?
No, once again you will set up a tiered system where not all men are created equal.
Why do you hate America?
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07-13-2011, 05:42 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Great idea! Run down and take a look at some factory farms and feed lots and let me know when you want to hand your kids over.
You are trolling me, Jerome, nobody can truly believe the things you claim to believe.
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07-13-2011, 05:50 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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No, once again you will set up a tiered system where not all men are created equal.
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Life is tiered in its nature. Darwin can teach you this.
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07-13-2011, 05:51 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Great idea! Run down and take a look at some factory farms and feed lots and let me know when you want to hand your kids over.
You are trolling me, Jerome, nobody can truly believe the things you claim to believe.
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You just equated chickens, pigs, and beef with human children. Who is trolling whom?
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07-13-2011, 05:54 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
You said you wanted education run like the food industry.
Why not just export the kids to China, they can educate them cheaper I'm sure.
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07-13-2011, 06:07 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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You said you wanted education run like the food industry.
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We don't eat children.
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07-13-2011, 06:11 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Some of us don't.
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07-13-2011, 06:14 AM
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Dr. Jerome Corsi-Soetoro, Ph.D., Esq.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Why not just export the kids to China, they can educate them cheaper I'm sure.
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That meme is just a temporary function of current currency values.
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07-13-2011, 06:16 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
I'm still wondering if JEROME has actually met any parents other than his own.
He's evaded that question twice now.
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07-13-2011, 06:28 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
What makes you think he has ever met them? I think it is pretty obvious that he doesn't even know who his father is.
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07-13-2011, 07:01 AM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
He he. See if it was a private charter school, they could have defrauded the public of much more!
Private industry FTW!
Source:
FBI — Former CEO of Charter School Sentenced to 37 Months on Fraud, Theft, and Tax Charges
One of my favorite parts about this was that the information came out as parents were told there wasn't any money to fund the special education for disabled students.
Investigating Charter Schools Fraud In Philadelphia | WBUR & NPR
Also business people run schools like they run business, to enrich themselves, not the actual learning.
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Let me start by saying that charter schools are kind of like an entrepreneurial approach to education.
Ms. WOODALL: Right. Right.
GROSS: Where does the entrepreneurial part come in?
Ms. WOODALL: Well, the entrepreneurial part comes in, in part because they also were seen - some of the charter advocates thought, you know, if we're going to make all the schools better, there needs to be competition. They need to compete in a marketplace, in an educational marketplace. And as a result of that kind of philosophy, they attracted a lot of people who were former businesspeople who wanted to get involved in education and could apply business practices to education.
And I think what arose from that philosophy in too many cases - or an unfortunate number of cases - was that people were viewing these as businesses, and they were figuring out ways to make money and obtain large management fees. And a lot of the schools have accumulated large reserves which have been used for ways that don't really enhance the outcomes for students and sometimes enrich the people at the top.
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07-13-2011, 02:06 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Man commits crime, therefore institution is the blame.
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By this logic you are against government as politicians have committed crimes.
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07-13-2011, 02:13 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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I contend that as a society we can pay for the education of those that can not.
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Good, I'm glad you agree that we should have a public education system funded by society (via taxes) that is accessible to all free of charge.
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Life is tiered in its nature. Darwin can teach you this.
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This sounds a lot more like what an idiot assumes Darwin wrote than it sounds like anything Darwin actually wrote. There are no 'tiers' in biology.
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07-13-2011, 02:38 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Jerome, who/what is stopping private industry from opening/supporting private schools and backing charter schools to compete with public schools?
Also, charter school fraud is widespread, hardly limited to one man. Google it.
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07-13-2011, 03:56 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Man commits crime, therefore institution is the blame.
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By this logic you are against government as politicians have committed crimes.
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She was using the same logic you were when you created this thread, troll. You do understand that game playing generally occurs in The Colosseum only, right? 
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07-13-2011, 05:07 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Also if Jerry SOTORO, had read the article (  , I know as if!) he'd find the second article was about a study of wide spread fraud and poor test scores at charter studies in multiple states.
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07-13-2011, 05:30 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Man commits crime, therefore institution is the blame.
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By this logic you are against government as politicians have committed crimes.
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Yo, twit...She's satirizing your approach of claiming that public schools are corrupt because of one or more corrupt administrators. And, as she clearly points out, by the very logic YOU began this thread, private schools are condemned even more than public ones.
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07-13-2011, 05:34 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Man commits crime, therefore institution is the blame.
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
I'm not particularly involved in the whole 'charter schools' discussion, but at this juncture, I have to ask what level of financial transparency applies to these 'institutions'?
'Charter schools' seem to require infusions of large amounts of public cash, rather than rely upon raising their own revenues. How is that any improvement upon public schools? It seems to me that it is just another way to divert vast amounts of public monies through the hands of fewer select individuals than did the public school financial administration and a LOT less oversight.
The result is that corruption is even greater. Whoa...big surprise. (NOT!)
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07-13-2011, 06:07 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Public funding but private management is usually how charter schools work, though private grants and funds are often in the mix. But yeah, less oversight + lots of money = corruption
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07-13-2011, 06:26 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
Hmmm...Given recent experience with corrupt politicians and public figures making their big splashes in the media pointing out the corruption, misadventures and chicanery of others (legitimately or not) before their own hypocrisy and corruption is revealed, I'm beginning to wonder what tills JEROME has his grubby mitts in....no?
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07-13-2011, 06:58 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
The Gates Foundation is heavily into charter schools, if that gives you any idea the kind of money we're discussing
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07-13-2011, 08:31 PM
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Re: Public Schools: Fraud Equals $500,000 in Bonus
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Public funding but private management is usually how charter schools work, though private grants and funds are often in the mix. But yeah, less oversight + lots of money = corruption
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Any nonprofit receiving govt cash here gets audited to the bone, annually. Does that not happen in the US?
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