Hillary in '08?

Beth · #1 02-28-2005, 02:35 PM

I keep hearing political talk speculating that Hillary may run in '08. Do you think she has a chance at getting the Democratic nomination and do you think she is qualified for the Presidential office?

livius drusus · #2 02-28-2005, 02:43 PM

I can't imagine that she has a real chance at the nomination. She's just too widely hated. I think she's qualified, sure -- inasmuch as anyone is -- but to me she's just another politician, an operator through and through. Only without her husband's fabulous charisma.

John Carter · #3 02-28-2005, 02:47 PM

I certainly hope she doesn't run; it would be a disaster if she got the Democratic nomination. I don't believe there is a chance in hell that Hillary Clinton could actually win the election. This would give the Republicans another 4 years in the White House.

TomJoe · #4 02-28-2005, 02:55 PM

All you need to be, to be qualified for the White House lately, is to be a liar, a cheat and a sneak.

Hillary is qualified.

Beth · #5 02-28-2005, 03:05 PM

I never quite understood the hatred toward her. I have read tons of fundy, neocon books about her, such as Big Sister Is Watching You. I was just always skeptical. I was always impressed with the way she tried to bring in socialized healthcare and thought that she was relatively caring and competant. I realize she is a well oiled polititian, but I can think of so many(polititians) that are so much more worthy of distain than she.

Anyway, I do agree that her getting the nomination would ensure the Presidency to the Republicans another four years. What about the VP ticket?

Dingfod · #6 02-28-2005, 03:22 PM

Hillary is definitely qualified, she is a natural born U.S. citizen over 35 years of age. The only way Hillary would have a real shot at winning would be if the Republicans ran Conde Rice.

Seven of Nine · #7 02-28-2005, 06:05 PM

I'll be really surprised if we have a woman president in my lifetime.

It's a shame, too, because I'd like to see a race between, say, Hilary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole. It would be fun to see what a presidential race between two women candidates would be like.

Dingfod · #8 02-28-2005, 06:09 PM

Cat fight!!! Everbody look: cat fight!!!

Seven of Nine · #9 02-28-2005, 06:26 PM

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Cat fight!!! Everbody look: cat fight!!!

inland wave · #10 02-28-2005, 08:37 PM

At one time I thought she would have a chance at the presidency, but right now the democratic party needs a good shot in the arm and she's not it.
Maybe sometime in the future her daughter will run for president. She has turned out to be a nice looking girl and seems to be interested in politics. She looks to have the chrisma of her dad and her mothers forward thinking. I am hoping this will take her the distance in the political arena. Genes can be a wonderful thing, sometimes. The party lines are so blurred it can be really hard to tell who is a democrat and who is republican.
I would really like to see John Edwards and Howard Dean run. I would actually like to see them as the democratic ticket for '08. I think they have a lot to offer as a team and would be good representation for America as a whole. Otherwise I would just have to wait and see who shakes out as wanting to run for office.

ApostateAbe · #11 03-01-2005, 03:58 AM

Hillary was already president for eight years. I would vote for almost any GOP candidate that ran against her. I would say she has a good chance of winning regardless, primarily because she can play politics almost as good as Bill, and she has a vagina, so that puts the entire left in her purse. Now she is behaving like a Republican so she can snag some from the right, too, and that is all she needs.

Crumb · #12 03-01-2005, 04:19 AM

Hillary is behaving like a rep? Please explain.

Dingfod · #13 03-01-2005, 02:31 PM

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Hillary was already president for eight years.

Co-president for the first two years maybe. I think the end result of her active involvement in politics was Democrats losing control of the House in the first mid-term election.

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I would vote for almost any GOP candidate that ran against her.

That would depend a great deal on who the GOP candidate was. Bill Frist? Trent Lott? Jerry Falwell? No way. Oympia Snow? A lot more likely.

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I would say she has a good chance of winning regardless, primarily because she can play politics almost as good as Bill, and she has a vagina, so that puts the entire left in her purse.

I don't think she had a snowball's chance in hell of winning unless the Republican candidate is a woman equally controversial, Exxon Condoleeza Rice for example, or worse, Ann Coulter... or, if male, Alan Keyes.

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Now she is behaving like a Republican so she can snag some from the right, too, and that is all she needs.

I'd be interested to know what sort of behavior of Hillary's is any more Republican than other Democrats. She, like husband Bill, is a darling of the DLC. The DLC is a fiscally conservative and somewhat socially moderate organization created as a reaction to Ronald Reagan's success. Kerry was the DLC preferred candidate, Dean was an outsider, skewered by the DLC.

I think the DLC and other supposed middle-of-the-road Democrats think they need to move to the right to win national elections. What Democrats need to do is stick to their principles and clearly spell out the differences between them and the Republicans. They need to take a page or two out of the Republican playbook too, one, never criticize fellow party members publicly, and two, paint the opposition party as evil incarnate.

Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth, not much.

Shake · #14 03-01-2005, 08:00 PM

Yeah, FWIW, I'd rather keep her on as a senator here in NY, as much as my fellow upstaters hate her. I hope she'll at least run for re-election in '06.

I hope that Dean is the shot in the arm that the Dems need to mobilize for the next major campaign, which IMHO is the '06 Congressional elections. I'd like to see him get the Dems fired up and ready to go.

I still can't understand what the big fuss was over his Iowa reaction, and how it was/is remotely relevant to what kind of a leader he'd be.

JoeP · #15 03-02-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by warrenly

Cat fight!!! Everbody look: cat fight!!!

Everybody, :glare:

use the smilies:

:catfight:

Godless Dave · #16 03-03-2005, 10:43 AM

I don't understand the hatred of her at all - I have seen no evidence whatsoever that she is "a liar, a sneak, or a cheat". She certainly isn't a radical feminist and, like her husband, is a moderate on most issues.

By the same token, I don't understand the enthusiasm many Democrats have for her. She is still serving her first term in the Senate. That's the entirety of her political experience. She was a lawyer back when women lawyers were a rarity - and that's it.

My personal beef with her is that she chose to ran for Senate from New York when she wasn't even living there. I probably spend more time in New York state than she does.

Godless Dave · #17 03-03-2005, 10:46 AM

Shit, if we're going to nominate a woman Democratic senator, why not Barbara Boxer? She's been in the Senate longer and was right on the Iraq war long before Clinton was.

Dingfod · #18 03-03-2005, 03:01 PM

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My personal beef with her is that she chose to ran for Senate from New York when she wasn't even living there. I probably spend more time in New York state than she does.

That's the same carpetbagging beef I had with Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. His primary residence always was and is currently in Pennsylvania, for Pete's sake. Or, how about George H.W. Bush claiming Texas as his home state when all he had for a "residence" was a hotel room? Or Dick the Dick Cheney slithering up to Wyoming for the first time in a couple decades. Cucking Farpetbaggers!

Godless Dave · #19 03-04-2005, 09:27 AM

Yeah, New York is a northern state so maybe we had it coming; payback for the politicians we sent to Arkansas 140 years ago.

Clutch Munny · #20 03-05-2005, 07:05 PM

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I don't understand the hatred of her at all

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she has a vagina

Ensign Steve · #21 03-07-2005, 03:35 AM

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Shit, if we're going to nominate a woman Democratic senator, why not Barbara Boxer? She's been in the Senate longer and was right on the Iraq war long before Clinton was.

Ooh I love Barbara Boxer. I've loved her ever since I was an idealistic little girl grown up in California. Campbell's Chicken Noodle Soup, my favorite papasan chair, and Barbara Boxer. Those were snugglier times!

Godless Dave · #22 03-07-2005, 09:31 AM

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I don't understand the hatred of her at all

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she has a vagina

I think you're onto something.

My favorite politician's wife is Mrs. Howard Dean, because you never see her. She works full time and has better things to do than stand next to (and slightly behind) her husband staring up at him approvingly.

I liked Jesse Ventura's wife for the same reason, she didn't campaign with him at all, and also because during the inauguration reception her feet started hurting because she wasn't used to wearing heels, so she took them off.