Oh, my giddy aunt! Did these people really say these things?!

[Petra]

http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

[D. Scarlatti]

I don't think that picture is of Henry Morris.

[Dingfod]

Of those that I know I think they are accurate quotes.


And, General Boykin got this one partly right:

George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States, he was appointed by God.

[Petra]

Hmmm....unless .....unless he's in disguise!


What scary shitbags some of those nutters are, though. Astonishing that they should be men of power and wealth in this new century, in this modern western world, etc, etc, etc...

[ApostateAbe]

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." --Henry Morris

There is little doubt that creationists have this sort of mentality. AiG's statement of faith includes,

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Still, I have found no evidence that Morris truly said that. There are no specific citations. The highly dubious picture puts further doubt on it.

So, I'd say the answer to your question is "no."

[Dingfod]

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." --Henry Morris

There is little doubt that creationists have this sort of mentality. AiG's statement of faith includes,

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.

Still, I have found no evidence that Morris truly said that. There are no specific citations. The highly dubious picture puts further doubt on it.

So, I'd say the answer to your question is "no."

That exact quote, attributed to Morris, is all over the damn internet... AND ... he has been known to have this mentality and you still doubt it because the picture is wrong? Okay, you're entitled to your opinion.

[Dingfod]

My Senator, James Inhofe of Oklahoma has spewed a few real gems himself:

"I do not think our priorities are misplaced when we are looking at creating a whole new class of children from these gay marriages who could end up completely dependent on the State, on the taxpayers-the American people."

"Much of the debate over global warming is predicated on fear, rather than science."

"I'm probably not the only one up at this table that is more outraged by the outrage than we are by the treatment [at Abu Ghraib prison]."

"Global warming is the second-largest hoax every played on the American people, after the separation of church and state."

[ApostateAbe]

Originally Posted by Warren

That exact quote, attributed to Morris, is all over the damn internet... AND ... he has been known to have this mentality and you still doubt it because the picture is wrong? Okay, you're entitled to your opinion.

Yeah, I found it all over the Internet--always on atheism-themed websites and never containing citation other than "Henry Morris (Institute for Creation Research)" and "Quotes from the The American Taliban." I often fact-check supposed quotes like these. Usually they are atheist/evolutionist quotes asserted by Christians. Whenever I see that sort of pattern on Google, I conclude that the quote is BS.

[Dingfod]

If I were them, I wouldn't claim the quote either.

[Dingfod]

Other Henry Morris quotes seem to confirm the other quote:

"The only way we can determine the true age of the earth is for God to tell us what it is. And since He has told us, very plainly, in the Holy Scriptures that it is several thousand years in age, and no more, that ought to settle all basic questions of terrestrial chronology." p. 94, The Remarkable Birth of Planet Earth by Henry Morris (1972)

"The only Bible-honoring conclusion is, of course, that Genesis I-II is the actual historical truth, regardless of any scientific or chronologic problems thereby entailed." p. 82, The Remarkable Birth of the Planet Earth by Henry Morris (1972)

Emphasis mine.

[ApostateAbe]

That kind of specific citation is what we need to confirm the "misinterpreted its data" quote. To prove that it is the sort of thing Morris would say is not enough. I have learned that atheists are more likely to be honest and skeptical than everyone else only to a limited extent, and their claims must be doubted just like everyone else's.

[Ensign Steve]

Hear hear, Abe. I cringe whenever I see that GWB quote about atheists not being patriots (which I notice is also on that site). But soundbytes are a lot easier than critical thinking, nobody is immune, and that's probably why they are more popular.

Luna: Did you really say, "Oh my giddy aunt"?!

[Dingfod]

Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

Hear hear, Abe. I cringe whenever I see that GWB quote about atheists not being patriots (which I notice is also on that site).

It was George H.W. Bush to which that is attributed. Do you have a debunking of that one?

[Dingfod]

Rob Sherman, radio commentator, then a credentialed journalist was the source for the G.H.W. Bush atheist comment:

Originally Posted by Sherman

At a news conference in Chicago on August 27, 1987 (not 1988 as has been reported elsewhere), which I covered as a fully credentialed journalist, I asked Vice President Bush several questions. In response to one question, Bush said, "I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."

He goes on, here, to say the transcript can be obtained at the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas, Archive Item # CF01193-002.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by Warren

It was George H.W. Bush to which that is attributed.

Oh! I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.

Do you have a debunking of that one?

The burden of proof is on those who make the claim that he did say it. I have yet to see any compelling evidence of that.

[Ensign Steve]

Originally Posted by Warren

Rob Sherman, radio commentator, then a credentialed journalist was the source for the G.H.W. Bush atheist comment:

He goes on, here, to say the transcript can be obtained at the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas, Archive Item # CF01193-002.

I've read that website. I still find the claim dubious, in that:

• Sherman was apparently the only journalist at the news conference who heard him utter those words.
• The only news source that published those words is Sherman's own website. I tend to look for a more reputable journal of information than Liberal News when looking for confirmation of something a Bush said.
• Sherman created the transcript himself. Putting fancy numbers by it and storing it in a library does not change that.

Sorry, this is me being skeptical. It's what I do. While I will grant that a credentialed journalist is probably more likely to be honest than a Bush is unlikely to say something stupid and offensive, I am still going to have to suspend judgement at this time.

Thank you for taking the time to look up that information, warren.

[ApostateAbe]

I don't doubt the interview by Robert I. Sherman. He was a fully-accredited reporter. If it were made up, his reputation would be shot to Hell by a denial from a Bush spokesperson.

[maddog]

The mind is a strange and wonderful thing, but I have a distinct memory of hearing GHWB say that. OTOH, I have been wrong before.

#449

[Ari]

I have no doubt Morris believes that quote, but I agree that he may not have said those specific words.

Bush, this page (http://www.skeptictank.org/gbush.htm) gives some info, although it doesn't give any more support for that specific quote, it does support the attitude.
"C. Boyden Gray, counsel to the president, reply on White House stationery on February 21, 1989, stating that substantively Bush stood by his original statement.
"As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government."

That site was funny, but they really really really should have cited sources.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

I don't think that picture is of Henry Morris.

I don't know how Morris can *not* believe in evolution. Obviously this:


evolved from this:

[Dingfod]

Originally Posted by maddog

The mind is a strange and wonderful thing, but I have a distinct memory of hearing GHWB say that. OTOH, I have been wrong before.

#449

The reason I went to the trouble of looking for substantiation is this very thing, I have a distinct memory of hearing Bush say that. Memory is a funny thing, I normally have a very accurate memory, but I'd guess that my mind is just as capable of creating a false memory as anyone's.

[The Lone Ranger]

I don't think that's Henry M. Morris, founder of the Institute for Creation Research.


Maybe it's some other "Henry Morris"?


It might be John Morris, Henry's son and current head of the ICR, but it doesn't look quite right.


Cheers,

Michael

[Dingfod]

I don't know, the glasses are the same and there's that shit-eating grin, it might just be a little older John Morris.

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by Warren

I don't know, the glasses are the same and there's that shit-eating grin, it might just be a little older John Morris.

I think you're right, Warren. A little older, a little hairier, a little thicker on the spectacle lenses.

[Petra]

Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

...I'd say the answer to your question is "no."

Well, that's a relief! ...i feel better already...