Yes, yes, secede please!! - Page 2

Ensign Steve · 08-22-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SharonDee

You really are a silly goose, aren't you? Don't think in your wildest imagination those cranks speak for all of us in The South.

Shake · 08-24-2005, 08:27 PM

Oh, more of those, "The South will rise again" :asshat:

s. I thought you mean these :asshat:

s.

SillyGoose · 08-25-2005, 01:02 AM

a letter to The South

Morroskye · 08-25-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SillyGoose

a letter to The South

I LOVE IT!!! They can take the Midwest with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

livius drusus · 08-25-2005, 01:52 AM

wildernesse · 08-25-2005, 02:03 AM

That letter speaks to very little about me and many Southerners I know. Of course, over-generalizations are pretty much a pet peeve of mine.

Skep · 08-25-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Morroskye

They can take the Midwest with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dingfod · 08-25-2005, 02:15 AM

Wisconsin isn't really midwest by the broadest definition of midwest, Oklahoma is, Kansass and Nebraska are. Wisconsin was midwest by 1820 standards. We're so over that.

Skep · 08-25-2005, 02:26 AM

Baloney. I know of no modern definition of 'Midwest' that does not include Wisconsin. Oklahoma is generally considered to be a South Central state, more specifically, West South Central.

Dingfod · 08-25-2005, 02:44 AM

In your link: "The term is now somewhat archaic."

No shit, archaic. If you go back far enough, Wisconsin was known as the Far West, way out in the Northwest Territories. I've never heard one single person in Oklahoma refer to the state as being South Central. Some say it's Southwest and like to associate with the likes of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, cowboy hats and snakeskin boots and all that rigamarole. A few think of it as an extension of the Great Plains states, or the Midwest, as those there think of it. In my experience, most people in Kansas think of themselves as from the Midwest. If you look at a map of the U.S., Nebraska and Kansas are definitely middle and the archaic "Midwest" states are anything but middle or west.

Dingfod · 08-25-2005, 02:51 AM

Also from Skep's link:

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The Midwest term is used sometimes interchangeably with the Heartland term to refer to "Mid-America" and its citizens, "Mid-Americans". Heartland states would seem to increasingly include states like Arkansas and Oklahoma, whom Atlanta-based CNN referred as the location of the "tragedy in the Heartland".

Emphasis mine.

Morroskye · 08-25-2005, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skep

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Originally Posted by Morroskye

They can take the Midwest with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the record I'm in Kansas City, the apex of the Midwest. (I dig WI! You're a Blue state.) Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois and Kansas are the recognized Midwest states, according to a lifelong Kansas Citian!

Skep · 08-25-2005, 03:00 AM

"Somewhat archaic" or not:

http://www.odfl.com/locator/USMidWest.jsp
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1355/
http://www.mcwdn.org/CB/Midwest/MidwestCaps.html
http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeat...tates/Midwest/
http://www.bls.gov/ro5/home.htm
http://www.hostels.com/en/us.midwest.html
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa.../midwest.shtml

Morroskye · 08-25-2005, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skep

"Somewhat archaic" or not:

http://www.odfl.com/locator/USMidWest.jsp
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2004/1355/
http://www.mcwdn.org/CB/Midwest/MidwestCaps.html
http://www.intellicast.com/LocalWeat...tates/Midwest/
http://www.bls.gov/ro5/home.htm
http://www.hostels.com/en/us.midwest.html
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa.../midwest.shtml

The Great Lakes region is it's own entity in my book at least. I guess if you live in Connecticut everything west of Pennsylvania is Midwestern. If you're in LA everything east of Utah is Midwest. The Great Lakes states; MI, WI, OH, and IN are one group. Midwest is IA, NE, MO, IL and KS. OK and AR are southern states to this Plains boy! :mememe:

Dingfod · 08-25-2005, 03:06 AM

Pissing matches R us.

* Dingfod concedes to the superior intellect of Skep and other Midwesterners

Morroskye · 08-25-2005, 03:53 AM

Oh no no no. I'M of inferior intellect. This Forum is the only one I've been to that has so many smart people. I'm justa high school grad. If any states had to secede I'd want TX,LA,MS,AL,SC and FL to get lost. (GA is a big city state now.) My favorite states are VT,ME, OR,WA and MA.

Dingfod · 08-25-2005, 03:57 AM

Don't forget Oklahoma. It isn't far behind North Potato in support for Shrubya. Kick them out too. Please.

Morroskye · 08-25-2005, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Don't forget Oklahoma. It isn't far behind North Potato in support for Shrubya. Kick them out too. Please.

LOL to the North Potato crack!!! It may be easier just to keep the northeast, the northwest, the Great Lakes states and CA. Give the rest to Pat Robertson!

Penni · 08-25-2005, 04:35 AM

Ok, I think the Fuck the South thing is funny....but of course I would becaue I'm a raging liberal and I don't live in the south. I can admit I wouldn't think it was very funny if it was a diatribe against my beloved home.

So, here's what I think. We all know that piece is directed toward the people that strut around like peacocks and try to maintain all these Southern myths...the fundamentalist Southerners, if you like (since it seems popular on these various boards to throw around the word fundamentalist lately). It's certainly not directed to the kind of freethinking Southerners we know here on our board. Still, I can see why there would be a negative reaction by all southerners. But, I think that, much like I would like, and try, to reclaim the word liberal from those who are trying to turn it into a bad word, all southerners (and non-southerners) should change the meaning of the term southerner and not let those fundamentalist southerner types co-opt the word and tie you and it to bad connotations.

Of course it won't be easy, because the bad connotations with "The South" run deep with many, but I would submit that it was not the writers of Fuckthesouth.com that turned the south into a bad word. The fundamentalist southerners defined it; and they defined it that way on purpose, so people rebutting and railing against those people are simply using a definition that was provided to them. Don't let those fundamentalists get away with turning freethinkers against each other because of a little terminology!!

PS who else is as annoyed as I am by my inconsistent capitalization of the south and southerners? I just couldn't decide...

viscousmemories · 08-25-2005, 05:33 AM

I'm glad I live in Texas now. If you paleskin south-hating yankee pussies ever decide you want another go at the south, don't forget to come down to Texas. We'll hang your heads on our walls and feed your bony carcasses to our cattle. Remember: We have guns.

But · 08-25-2005, 05:42 PM

Now that's what I call an intuitive diagram. They should have used those on TV or in a Rorschach test.

"We can see several bloated blue Democrat blobs surrounded by inflamed tissue"