A Revolution in Thought: Part Two

peacegirl · #11 01-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Of course not, but efferent vision doesn't change the known properties of light, and it doesn't negate the known physical laws that require the film to come in contact with light photons to chemically react and form an image.

Then tell me how camera film, on Earth, can come into physical contact with light photons from the newly ignited sun that have not yet reached Earth.

There is a physical distance of millions of miles.
The sun was just turned on at noon. It is noon and 30 seconds right now.
There are no photons here on Earth yet to contact the film.

You've stated we could photograph the Sun at this point
I am saying that is not possible because the properties of light and film would not allow a photograph to be taken because the chemical reaction cannot take place without contact.
You state we do not need to change any physical properties of light or film or the requirements for their interaction.

Now, tell me. How can the photons and film come into physical contact?

When the brain is looking, through the eyes, at the external world (which is everything that is in your visual range, not just one object), a mirror image of your entire field of view (or screen) shows up instantly on the film/retina. This mirror image that shows up at the film/retina is analogous to the water showing the mirror image of the mountain. Your lack of understanding the efferent version of sight is causing you to revert back to the afferent model which requires travel time. That's why what I'm saying still doesn't make sense to you.

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Mirror images are the new focusing, aren't they? It is a concept you do not understand, and so you just imagine that that is where the magic happens that allows an image to magically appear instantly.

The little light sensors in a camera just detect light. If the light that hits the little sensor is of wavelength A, then it creates a dot that has colour A. Lots of those little dots together form an image. That is all they do: we design them that way.

Who is arguing with this?

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Given that this is the case, how can an image magically appear if there is no light for the sensor or film to react WITH? Mirror-images do not explain that in the slightest.

The water in this case is the light sensor. Nothing magically appears. Because light is striking the water, we are able to see the mirror image of the mountain. It works in the same exact way with our eyes. Any light that is in our visual field is instantly (due to efferent vision) at the retina (which is the light sensor) allowing us to see the world in real time.

So now light DOES have to strike the sensor, and we CANNOT see the sun when it is turned on, because there is no light yet to strike our eyes!

Vivisectus, I don't know when you came back to this thread but it appears you missed my whole demonstration. You'll have to catch up somehow. I'm sure I'll have to repeat the efferent model (and it is a model so I'm going to use this term) many more times for anyone to get it, so you'll have plenty of opportunity.