A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

And complaining about people thinking you're mentally ill is an easy way for you to avoid answering questions about your "model"...IOW it's just an excuse for you to weasel.

No, it's a normal reaction to a situation that is getting unbearable.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

You haven't explained the "phenomena" in a way that makes it possible. You said there is no gap. There is a gap. How do the eyes and cameras close the gap?

If there were no gap, visually, you wouldn't be able to see depth or distance, it would be like seeing a flat screen with everything on the same plane..IOW 2 dimensional.

I already answered this. The gap which allows us to recognize depth is interpreted in the visual cortex. This has nothing to do with anything.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Except for the non traveling light part, that's a changed property of light

There is no non traveling light. There is only non-absorbed light which is revealed when the object absorbs the other part of the spectrum. As the Sun emits its photons in a continuous stream, the parts of the white spectrum split up depending on the consistency of the object it illuminates. This does not mean that the non-absorbed part of the spectrum travels indefinitely through space and time even though photons from the Sun are constantly replacing old photons.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

Oh give it over, you cannot bear to be away from us Peacegirl! Us, the only half-dozen people on the planet who even know that your book exists, and that only because we find it an amusing heap of claptrap! You tried to stay away, but every time you keep getting drawn back in for another mental spanking - you seem to really enjoy them. Like all masochists, it is the attention that draws you.

Face it honey: you are not here for the hunting! You enjoy every last minute of it: after all, if it wasn't for us it would just be you, a leaky roof, and a giant pile of books that are somehow completely failing to take the world by storm.

Have you already forgotten that I've done no marketing? Of course the world hasn't taken this book by storm. The world doesn't know this discovery exists.

[LadyShea]

There is no non traveling light.

This does not mean that the non-absorbed part of the spectrum travels indefinitely

All light travels indefinitely. When it has been absorbed and transformed into another type of energy it is no longer light.

If it is light, it will travel indefinitely until it is no longer light because it has been absorbed, that is a property of light that you are trying to change.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

And you think you understand his discovery with a question like that?

I would like to know what scientific principle relates to "something being meant to be recognized as truth" as well as relates to "when that is supposed to occur"

Those are woo/spiritual/religious idea, not scientific ones, so I'd like to know what scientific principle you are basing that on.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

No, it's a normal reaction to a situation that is getting unbearable.

No, a normal reaction is to remove yourself from the unbearable situation, or to solve the problem creating the unbearable situation. In your case you can solve the problem of people thinking you're mentally ill by not acting mentally ill.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

This isn't about formal religion or personal gods. This is about a law of our nature which is propelling us toward a unified world in accordance with God's timing. Everything, including your reaction, is under the control of this law.

Impersonal laws of nature have no timing, do not propel anything, and are indifferent to the idea of a "unified world"

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

The world doesn't know this discovery exists.

And just who's fault is that, you are the one with the book, no-one here has been hiding it.

[Vivisectus]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Have you already forgotten that I've done no marketing? Of course the world hasn't taken this book by storm. The world doesn't know this discovery exists.

As I said - not here for the hunting.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Have you already forgotten that I've done no marketing? Of course the world hasn't taken this book by storm. The world doesn't know this discovery exists.

Golly gosh, peacegirl, whose fault is that? Who has been wasting ten years of her life getting laughed at on various message boards? If you had spent that time doing proper marketing, the whole world could be laughing at this stuff by now.

[LadyShea]

Lots of big ideas took off with no marketing. Jesus didn't have a PR firm or run advertisements! Neither did Muhammad or Buddha. There are YouTube videos, Twitter feeds, and blogs with millions of viewers/readers that never did one shred of marketing or advertising. How many (almost fanatical) readers does PZ Myers have?

Good ideas that resonate with people get spread because that's what humans do.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Have you already forgotten that I've done no marketing? Of course the world hasn't taken this book by storm. The world doesn't know this discovery exists.

Ten years of flogging Lessans and his book on forums is marketing. I would hazard that tens of thousands of people have been exposed and still you got nothing. If something hasn't happened by now, it will never happen.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Peacegirl, here's a very simple disproof of efferent vision and real-time photography. Both require a camera to be able to record the color change of a distant object in real-time. So when a distant ball changes from blue to red, a camera must be able to photograph it as red as soon as it has become red. But if the camera is inside the range where the traveling non-absorbed light has yet to return to 'white full-spectrum' light, then all that light will be blue before the color change. And at the very moment the ball changes to red (i.e. has turned into a ball that absorbs all but red photons) there are no red photons at the camera. They were previously all being absorbed by the ball, and are only now free to bounce off the ball and begin traveling towards the camera. So none of them can be at the camera yet. But the camera cannot produce a red image on film without any red photons there to chemically interact with the film. So the camera cannot produce a real-time image of the newly red ball, and real-time photgraphy and efferent vision are thereby disproved. QED.

That's the afferent theory Spacemonkey. If the object is in range (which is not required in the afferent model), and if the non-absorbed light reveals the object but does not travel (although the non-absorbed photons are continually being replaced by the Sun's energy), then you are misunderstanding what is actually happening. You are still imagining a great distance between the object and the camera which would then cause a time delay. But if the camera is aimed at the object, then the light becomes an instant mirror image just like it does with the eyes, and there is no time involved.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Lots of big ideas took off with no marketing. Jesus didn't have a PR firm or run advertisements! Neither did Muhammad or Buddha. There are YouTube videos, Twitter feeds, and blogs with millions of viewers/readers that never did one shred of marketing or advertising. How many (almost fanatical) readers does PZ Myers have?

Good ideas that resonate with people get spread because that's what humans do.

I know that's what humans do if they get excited about something, but before I start marketing this way, I have to plan it very strategically. I think the best way to go about this is to get some endorsements first. The last thing I need are people skimming it and giving bad reviews just because they don't understand it. This is not easy reading for the average person, as you well know.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I know that's what humans do if they get excited about something, but before I start marketing this way, I have to plan it very strategically. I think the best way to go about this is to get some endorsements first. The last thing I need are people skimming it and giving bad reviews just because they don't understand it. This is not easy reading for the average person, as you well know.

Yes, you plan it very strategically, peacegirl, and be sure you get some endorsements first! I suggest sending a copy to Stephen Hawking!

Oh, too bad Will Durant isn't around anymore! Seymour sure told him!

And, yes, this stuff is WAY over the head of the average person! As we well know!

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

So you are saying that when the Sun is turned on, there will be a 'mirror image' at the eye but no light yet at the eye, right?

So what does that mirror image consist of?

Obviously light is interacting with the retina due to the fact that the object can be seen. If the object can be seen (in real time), then the light's job, so to speak, is not to bring any images anywhere. The light's property is to reveal what's out there in the material world. But if there is no light on Earth because it hasn't arrived yet, then the requirement for seeing you, who is next to me, hasn't been met, therefore, I have to wait 8 minutes.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Obviously light is interacting with the retina due to the fact that the object can be seen. If the object can be seen (in real time), then the light's job, so to speak, is not to bring any images anywhere. The light's property is to reveal what's out there in the material world. But if there is no light on Earth because it hasn't arrived yet, then the requirement for seeing you, who is next to me, hasn't been met, therefore, I have to wait 8 minutes.

What can one do but laugh?

If peacegirl marketed Lessans' book as a parody of a crackpot she might actually realize her goal of making money off of it. I wonder if she realizes this.

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Obviously light is interacting with the retina due to the fact that the object can be seen. If the object can be seen (in real time), then the light's job, so to speak, is not to bring any images anywhere. The light's property is to reveal what's out there in the material world. But if there is no light on Earth because it hasn't arrived yet, then the requirement for seeing you, who is next to me, hasn't been met, therefore, I have to wait 8 minutes.

Um, is the answer to the question "what does that mirror image consist of?" in there somewhere?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I know that's what humans do if they get excited about something, but before I start marketing this way, I have to plan it very strategically. I think the best way to go about this is to get some endorsements first. The last thing I need are people skimming it and giving bad reviews just because they don't understand it. This is not easy reading for the average person, as you well know.

Oh, endorsements you say? Who do you think will give you these endorsements? Why are you talking to us instead of them?

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

and if the non-absorbed light reveals the object but does not travel (although the non-absorbed photons are continually being replaced by the Sun's energy),

Where do the not absorbed yet replaced photons go? Where are they now? If they "rejoin white light" doesn't that mean they are still traveling, but simply are not traveling alone, but in the presence of other photons?

[davidm]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Um, is the answer to the question "what does that mirror image consist of?" in there somewhere?

[LadyShea]

davidm, what does Jell-O brand gelatin consist of?

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Obviously light is interacting with the retina due to the fact that the object can be seen. If the object can be seen (in real time), then the light's job, so to speak, is not to bring any images anywhere. The light's property is to reveal what's out there in the material world. But if there is no light on Earth because it hasn't arrived yet, then the requirement for seeing you, who is next to me, hasn't been met, therefore, I have to wait 8 minutes.

How is light "interacting with the retina" before the light arrives? Please be specific.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Who do you think will give you these endorsements?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

LOL, but you didn't ask me to treat you with respect, you told me you weren't going to allow me to act this way. Which, as you now admit, you can't do.

You know what I meant. I can't actually stop you from doing what you want to do. That's one of the principles which leads to the discovery. Principle #1: Nothing in this world has the power to make you do what you don't want to do (barring force), for over this you have mathematical control. I can ask you nicely, I can tell you that if you continue I won't talk to you anymore, etc., but I can't make you stop if that's what you want to do. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.