Semi-serious House Immigration Bill

[alphamale]

Passed by the House thursday, it would, among other things:

End the "catch and release" policy for illegal aliens.

Makes unlawful presence in the United States, currently a civil offense, a felony.

Construction of a fence in parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

Require all employers in the country, more than 7 million, to submit Social Security numbers and other information to a national data base to verify the legal status of workers

This end of the "catch and release" policy removes the most absurd policy re immigration. By "fence", I hope they mean a REAL fence, and the required reporting of SS numbers, formerly voluntarily (ha ha) will help if they find a way to greatly reduce counterfeit identification.

The bill was opposed by the Chamber of Commere, representing corporations and companies, puzzling since as we all know, they are a pillar of the far, extreme, really way out there, right-most right far wing, out there.

[Corona688]

Originally Posted by alphamale

The bill was opposed by the Chamber of Commere, representing corporations and companies, puzzling since as we all know, they are a pillar of the far, extreme, really way out there, right-most right far wing, out there.

More easily explained by using a brain than resorting to retarded left-wing-vs-right-wing histrionics. Corporations have no loyalty to any ideology, they'll do whatever saves them money or gives them an advantage. Who do you think employs illegal aliens? Hint, non-citizens don't have a minimum wage, they work for cheap.

[erimir]

Do you think that corporations will just move their factories to Mexico if they can't get illegal aliens anymore?

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Corona688

More easily explained by using a brain than resorting to retarded left-wing-vs-right-wing histrionics. Corporations have no loyalty to any ideology, they'll do whatever saves them money or gives them an advantage. Who do you think employs illegal aliens? Hint, non-citizens don't have a minimum wage, they work for cheap.

Gosh, no kidding? Who'd a thunk it!!! I was being sarcastic - OF COURSE that's why they do it, but they've more than just sold out to the left to make money - in particular they've become actually eager disciples of anti-white discrimination - they were at the USSC in the U of M cases (at least 20 of the fortune 500) filing amicus briefs urging discrimination. The thought of rich white bastards like Bill Gates, for whom nothing bad is ever going to happen to them personally for what they advocate, turns my stomach. Now I understand how revolutions start. Because arrogant shits need to be strung up on the lamp posts.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by erimir

Do you think that corporations will just move their factories to Mexico if they can't get illegal aliens anymore?

Many will - good riddance. The majority of illegal alien jobs - agriculture, hotel and restuarant workers, lanscaping, home building, will stay right here.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

The bill was opposed by the Chamber of Commere, representing corporations and companies, puzzling since as we all know, they are a pillar of the far, extreme, really way out there, right-most right far wing, out there.

Naw, because they embody the best of conservative philosophy: "I got mine, fuck everyone else".

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

I was being sarcastic - OF COURSE that's why they do it, but they've more than just sold out to the left to make money

Business has sold out to nobody except themselves.

By the way: libertarians don't want any restrictions on low-wage labor coming into the USA. Even though you claim to be libertarian, I'm guessing that this is just another thing you don't agree with them on.

Let's review, shall we?

1. you are in favor of govt spying, curtailing civil liberties, skipping judicial review of warrants and centralization of federal power;

2. You are also in favor of walls and fences at the border, and restricting labor.

Hmm. Is there anything you *do* agree with libertarians on, alphatroll?

Now I understand how revolutions start.

Apparently not, since you are still supporting conservative ideas, but thinking you are a libertarian.

Not to worry; I find that most people who call themselves libertarians are actually conservatives anyhow - they just want a political rationale to keep their porno mags and/or keep paying low wages to their domestic latino housekeepers.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Sauron

Naw, because they embody the best of conservative philosophy: "I got mine, fuck everyone else".

Nowadays the people they fuck over are on a list prepared by liberals.

[alphamale]

By the way: libertarians don't want any restrictions on low-wage labor coming into the USA. Even though you claim to be libertarian, I'm guessing that this is just another thing you don't agree with them on.

I could stand here all day and tutor you. Why don't you read up and come back when you know something. I'm going to try to pry you just once more off the zero level, but that's the end of the free tutoring.

What you're talking about is the "Part/Whole" fallacy: dimwits like you will pick out what would be one of many aspects of libertarianism, in this case the free movement of labor, and wonder why we don't support them. It's because liberatarianism makes sense only when it's applied to the WHOLE ECONOMY AND POLITY. I'll support free movement of labor when insurance companies stop cost-shifting the medical bills of deadbeat aliens onto my insurance premiums, and hospitals stop cost-shifting illegal aliens bills onto paying patients, to give you just one of many possible examples. Don't understand what I'm saying? Come back when you have a clue.

[Sauron]

Originally Posted by alphamale

I could stand here all day and tutor you.

Not really - on two key points of libertarianism you simply got it wrong.

Why don't you read up and come back when you know something.

I could forget 90% of what I know about libertarianism, and I'd still know more than you do.

What you're talking about is the "Part/Whole" fallacy:
blah
I'll support free movement of labor when insurance companies

You're basically saying that you'll support libertarian principles as soon as everyone else gets with the program, stops interfering with the free market and ceases trying to use govt coercion to get their own way. Unfortunately, that's not libertarian philosophy.

Libertarianism does not hold that the rest of the world must all accept the premises of libertarian FIRST, and all at the SAME time, in order for the philosphy to have social and economic value. On the contrary, libertarians believe that every increase in the free market, and every increase in civil liberties, is worth doing right now -- even if the entire loaf of bread isn't coming for years or decades. Holding out until the entire world enacts libertarianism at the same time is ridiculous -- even for libertarians.

As I said: I know far more about libertarianism that you pretend to know, poptart.

[alphamale]

You're basically saying that you'll support libertarian principles as soon as everyone else gets with the program, stops interfering with the free market and ceases trying to use govt coercion to get their own way. Unfortunately, that's not libertarian philosophy.

Unfortunately, you've maintained your record as having the longest unbroken string of posts that are full of shit. A partial free market is what we have now, with some state-created winners, and some state-created losers, depending respectively on their political influence. A "half way" libertarian based society makes as much sense as expecting to drive a car when the engine has half the parts. You don't know even the fundamentals of the issues that libertarians have debated for a long time. I'm getting empathetic embarrassment for you - shut up - you sound foolish.